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#21 Postby cinlfla » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:18 pm

Personally, I enjoy his insights and I've learned some things from him over the years. I just wish he could restrain himself from the digs at NHC. He doesn't have their responsibilities, and he doesn't do the kind of detailed forecasts they do, so IMHO he has no business sniping like he does.



I am curious of his accuracy, I mean he basically called a Florida hit. That can't be right its way to soon and the models that I am looking at are taking it more to the north and who knows what the weather patterns will be like up the road. 96L is not even a named storm yet. Talking about jumping the gun :roll:
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#22 Postby Steve » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:25 pm

He doesn't really have an accuracy. He's been good, he's been bad. He's better at pattern recognition though some argue that. What I thought was most interesting in the video today was the potential for the western Gulf as the heights build corresponding with the change to a positive NAO. We'll see.

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#23 Postby x-y-no » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:30 pm

Steve wrote:He doesn't really have an accuracy. He's been good, he's been bad. He's better at pattern recognition though some argue that. What I thought was most interesting in the video today was the potential for the western Gulf as the heights build corresponding with the change to a positive NAO. We'll see.

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Yes, exactly. That's the point I was trying to make regarding what he does vs. what the NHC does - totally different things.

BTW, cinfla ... as I pointed out earlier, he really didn't "basically [call] a Florida hit."
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#24 Postby cinlfla » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:34 pm

BTW, cinfla ... as I pointed out earlier, he really didn't "basically [call] a Florida hit."



Ok well then maybe I misunderstood but thats what it sounded like to me. I guess I am going to have to go and listen to him again. And try not to pay to much attention to the none weather related stuff and pay more attention to what he's saying about the future setup for 96l.
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#25 Postby cinlfla » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:49 pm

BTW, cinfla ... as I pointed out earlier, he really didn't "basically [call] a Florida hit."



Ok your right he just said it basically it heads for the Florida coast. What I found interesting was when he was mentioning the higher pressures north and the lower pressures south which would mean more cyclone development. please don't tell me I misunderstood that too. If I did I need to be checked for add because that means that 2 times of listening to him was not enough repetition for me to get it. :lol:
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#26 Postby x-y-no » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:09 pm

cinlfla wrote:
BTW, cinfla ... as I pointed out earlier, he really didn't "basically [call] a Florida hit."



Ok your right he just said it basically it heads for the Florida coast. What I found interesting was when he was mentioning the higher pressures north and the lower pressures south which would mean more cyclone development. please don't tell me I misunderstood that too. If I did I need to be checked for add because that means that 2 times of listening to him was not enough repetition for me to get it. :lol:


It's OK ... you got that part of his speil right. :-)

Basically, he was saying that a persistent positive mid-level height anomaly in the north implies corresponding lower pressure in the MDR, favoring development. Seems reasonable to me.

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#27 Postby artist » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:18 pm

the model plots for this site net waves is a new link -

http://weather.net-waves.com/tropics.php

then at the top of the page click on which system you want and scroll down to the plots.
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#28 Postby Ivanhater » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:39 pm

thank you whoever changed the heading, sorry i was away
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#29 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:41 pm

ivanhater wrote:thank you whoever changed the heading, sorry i was away


I changed it to what is the latest.
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#30 Postby Patrick99 » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:33 pm

I wouldn't call it as anything yet. It's definitely "on deck," though.
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#31 Postby deltadog03 » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:06 pm

look, if you don't like him or like what he thinks than why read it?? just don't look....EVERYONE can change there forecast...I personaly thought Irene would hit the coast but, she could just be doing the dirty work...more later
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#32 Postby MetroMike » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:59 pm

I would'nt catagorize this season as an " out to sea" season so far...theres always a few that do go out there, but I don't believe that is a trend this year.
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#33 Postby johngaltfla » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:59 pm

WeatherEmperor wrote:Quick question. Is anybody else here having problems with the graphic portion of this computer model website? It shows the plots but not the model graphics. Check it out for 96L and it wont show.

<RICKY>

http://weather.net-waves.com/modelplot.htm


Use this site:

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/

More models, much better graphics....
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#34 Postby wxman57 » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:23 pm

Just watched Joe's video. He didn't "call" for anything with respect to TD 10. All he did was demonstrate that the GFS took it to Florida. He didn't say he believed the GFS. Of course, the GFS took Irene to Florida, too (at least the southern piece of Irene). Joe doesn't really make forecasts much of the time, he just talks about worst-case scenarios, generally involving east coast hits. But he did forecast Irene to hit NC, even while the rest of AccuWeather was forecasting Irene to head out to sea. I wonder how they can get away with that? I could never say one thing about a storm and my company say something else. We have one voice, one forecast. I guess if you forecast multiple tracks then you have a good shot at being right, though.

Joe does recognize patterns well, as was stated above. But he has a very, very strong east coast bias. He's one of the worst people I disagree with on the planet in that respect. He even called for Larry, which was down in the BoC a few years back, to turn north, cross the FL Panhandle, and head up along the east coast. So if you ignore his east coast landfall bias and listen to his discussions on the general patterns, you'll learn something.
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#35 Postby MetroMike » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:24 pm

Wow, thanks for that!
Beats paying to see the model plots in other sites.
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#36 Postby Steve » Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:36 pm

>>I wonder how they can get away with that?

There used to be a disclaimer when you linked to his page that Joe's forecasts may or may not represent the views of Accuweather.

Btw 57, it was a pleasure voting for you for Poster of the Month the other day. Thanks for all the hard work and insight.

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#37 Postby JamesFromMaine2 » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:28 pm

cinlfla wrote:
Personally, I enjoy his insights and I've learned some things from him over the years. I just wish he could restrain himself from the digs at NHC. He doesn't have their responsibilities, and he doesn't do the kind of detailed forecasts they do, so IMHO he has no business sniping like he does.



I am curious of his accuracy, I mean he basically called a Florida hit. That can't be right its way to soon and the models that I am looking at are taking it more to the north and who knows what the weather patterns will be like up the road. 96L is not even a named storm yet. Talking about jumping the gun :roll:


I don't know if it will hit Florida or not I don't know if it will curve out to sea! I think that any one who trys to say it will hit such a such a place or it will go out to sea this early in the game is jumping the gun! It might hit Florida it might not it might curve out to sea it might not who knows! But what is known is that it might not even survive the next few days also according to the models it will move west northwest for the next 2 or 3 days anything after that pretty much anything can happen!
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#38 Postby stormcrow » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:59 pm

It is learning experience reading all the forcasters opinions and listening to their reports. JB talks about possiblities and many here have such large blinders they don't hear what he really says. To bad, you might learn something once in a while.
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#39 Postby djtil » Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:22 pm

i think JoeB still has Dennis in Denver right now.....

Hes pushing the "stopped clock" ratio these days.
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