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#21 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:45 pm

my usual discaimer for images by me: this may be wrong and probably is.

EDIT: whoops, the image ended up kinda small :lol: anyway, the blue is ULL flow, the purple is the outflow boundary, the red is the storm rotation and the green is the POSSIBLE center.

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on the quikSCAT too... I see southerly wind flow, I see southeasterly wind flow, I see easterly wind flow; but where westerly and flow should be is light winds and in the general direction of east...

comments are not welcome: they are NEEDED! :wink:
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#22 Postby tracyswfla » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:46 pm

wxwatcher91 wrote:my usual discaimer for images by me: this may be wrong and probably is.

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on the quikSCAT too... I see southerly wind flow, I see southeasterly wind flow, I see easterly wind flow; but where westerly and flow should be is light winds and in the general direction of east...

comments are not welcome: they are NEEDED! :wink:


Can't really see that tiny image 8-)
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#23 Postby Anonymous » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:56 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:I see the general SSW winds, AL; however, neither myself or Cangialosi can close anything off anywhere near the Dovrak estimates.

However, that said, we have a center, finally


We have a had a center since August 11, 2005.
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#24 Postby CronkPSU » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:59 pm

~Floydbuster wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:I see the general SSW winds, AL; however, neither myself or Cangialosi can close anything off anywhere near the Dovrak estimates.

However, that said, we have a center, finally


We have a had a center since August 11, 2005.


um ok :roll:
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#25 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:14 pm

yeah, as of 18Z, Aug 11, we have had a closed surface circulation
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#26 Postby Anonymous » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:20 pm

What I mean't to say, was that this system has been a Tropical Cyclone since August 4, 2005
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#27 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:23 pm

NHC quoted last night that there is and was an LLC with this storm.

It was a tropical storm last night.

Seems bizarre to claim a 50 mph storm that was declared a TS last night to just be developing a surface center...
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#28 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:40 pm

seems bizzarre unless you are looking at it from purely a scientific perspective, and not a continuity or an enthusiasts perspective
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#29 Postby superfly » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:45 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:seems bizzarre unless you are looking at it from purely a scientific perspective, and not a continuity or an enthusiasts perspective


Upgrading from TD to TS is not mere continuity and I wouldn't classify the NHC as having "an enthusiasts perspective."
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#30 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:48 pm

the Dvorak technique dictated that assuming a TC meant an upgrade was required.

Recon should have been out there today to settle this once and for all. However, I have seen many systems like this, with Dvoraks at 3.0/3.0, and recon finds no surface circulation
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#31 Postby micktooth » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:48 pm

There has been a "center" associated with this storm ever since its inception...The National Hurricane "Center" :lol: Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. I know it's hard to find the true center so the NHC is the only consistent center I can find regarding Irene, and even they have not been too consistent with this one!
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#32 Postby jrod » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:56 pm

And the Quikscat passes still are NOT showing a closed low.
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#33 Postby Anonymous » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:59 pm

jrod wrote:And the Quikscat passes still are NOT showing a closed low.


They didn't with Category 4 Iris in 2001 either! Was that a 145 mph wave? Of course not. Irene is surely getting better organized.
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#34 Postby superfly » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:00 pm

jrod wrote:And the Quikscat passes still are NOT showing a closed low.


Which gives further credence that the LLC has always been present because there is no way this system does not have a closed circulation right now.
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#35 Postby jrod » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:00 pm

superfly wrote:
jrod wrote:And the Quikscat passes still are NOT showing a closed low.


Which gives further credence that the LLC has always been present because there is no way this system does not have a closed circulation right now.


If you say so :roll:
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#36 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:02 pm

It has a very well defined LLC by the visible. Some times the old way is the best way.
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#37 Postby Steve H. » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:06 pm

I tend to agree with the black dot which is to the south of the "center" . Convection is building around it now. The e=center is south of where the NHC has it!!
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#38 Postby jrod » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:08 pm

There is a center now I can see that. I agree with Ortt that is was an open wave a few days ago.
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#39 Postby NorthGaWeather » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:33 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:yeah, as of 18Z, Aug 11, we have had a closed surface circulation


We've had a closed circ before that time. :roll:
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#40 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:35 pm

seems bizzarre unless you are looking at it from purely a scientific perspective, and not a continuity or an enthusiasts perspective



I believe someone posted a ship report of a west wind...
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