Stones target 'hypocrite' patriots in new song

[sunny]

LOL!

The fact is, thei rbase changed, but it didn't shrink. For every mouthbreathing redneck "patriot" that believed the ClearChannel-initiated boycott, some moron left-wing hack took their place. The lesson is, most people really just don't care about politics.

I'm positive that the Dixie-Chicks laugh all the way to the bank every day.

Give me Toby Keith anyday. Maybe these things do not matter to some people, but they do to me.

[stormie_skies]

No offense, but I don't see why expressing ones political beliefs makes them a "sell out" - regardless of whether they are a Republican, a Democrat or something else entirely. Who exactly are they "selling out" to? Seems like a particularly risky business move to me, considering how polarized this nation has become.... unless one was really trying to take advantage ot the first amendment, why would one risk alienating half of their audience?

Art has reflected popular attitudes, morals and political leanings since the beginning of time. I don't see why we should expect that to change now, or hate artists for putting their opinions out there (whether its Green Day or Toby Keith, it shouldn't matter, its the same thing).

Like any other art form, people will love it, and people will hate it, and people will be indifferent to it. But its still art....and it isnt inferior just because its political....

[gtalum]

Just out of curiosity, why was it wrong for her to criticize the president?

FWIW, I think her statement was stupid and if I were from Texas, I wouldn't be embarrassed by the fact that he lives there as well. I just think it's even more stupid to change your music tastes because of it. But to each his own, I suppose.

[Stephanie]

I agree stormie.

I think that their song is rather harsh. I have my own personal opinions about neo-cons, etc., but if they were looking for a reaction to this song, they're going to get it!

[sunny]

Like any other art form, people will love it, and people will hate it, and people will be indifferent to it. But its still art....and it isnt inferior just because its political....

And I hate it.

[GalvestonDuck]

Heck, even if any of my favorites spoke out politically about anything and disagreed with something I believed in, I'd still see them in concert.

As far as I know, Amy Grant hasn't really been politcally outspoken about anything. Garth Brooks touches on a few things in his songs, but nothing that blatant and nothing I disagree with him on. A couple of Billy Joel's songs could be construed as anti-Vietnam, but not really IMO. Other than that, I don't *know* of anything political that he's said. And the only things I've known ONJ to talk about is the environment and animals, but not to the extreme of groups like PETA.

[sunny]

"xactly Duckie. If they voice their opinions without it "attacking" anyone - go for it. But when they take a swipe at me, heck yes I am offended.

[GalvestonDuck]

Just out of curiosity, why was it wrong for her to criticize the president?

It wasn't wrong. I just think there are a lot of people who don't like paying for a concert and getting treated to an earful of a celebrities rants on their buck.

[stormie_skies]

I agree stormie.

I think that their song is rather harsh. I have my own personal opinions about neo-cons, etc., but if they were looking for a reaction to this song, they're going to get it!

Yeah.... the title "Sweet Neo Con" IS a bit over the top....I have to admit to having a good laugh over this one....the first time I read it, I thought it was from the Onion or something!

[Pburgh]

Wow, I'm emailing this info to my daughter. She's coming from Roanoke, Va. to Pittsburgh next month to see the Stones. Being just like me, a "neocon", I think maybe a couple Stones concert tickets will be up for sale. I never liked the Stones anyway and now I have a really good reason.

[HurryKane]

I was never a big Stone's fan anyway. If you grew up in the 60's it was the Beatles or the Stones, very rare to like both. Mick can't sing, is painful to even look at, and the one time I've seen them, back in 1981, they were absolutely terrible. JMO - and now that he's joining the American hating activists who for some reason think anybody cares what they have to say in the first place.

You would think they all would have learned from the Dixie Chicks to shut up.

You think they would have learned from the Dixie Chicks that you can speak your mind and not get killed for it. If you don't like what they say, that's fine. But to tell them to shut up because you don't like it...not fine.

[j]

But to tell them to shut up because you don't like it...not fine.

Perhaps Kiss my A** would be better....nah...they would have liked that I'm sure judging by the Vanity Fair cover shoot they did all naked with stategically placed anti American Bush hating propaganda.

Perhaps you need to be reminded of how distasteful this was.

Mods - please don;t delete..I mean this was out on the shelves for every little Suzy and Johnny to see. Did the Chicks care?? NO!

[wxcrazytwo]

I see nothing wrong with the song or its lyrics. You know people get bothered with stuff like because 1) It makes a point, 2) Its true and you don't wanna hear it, 3) its true and your living under a blanket. JMHO..

[sunny]

I see nothing wrong with the song or its lyrics. You know people get bothered with stuff like because 1) It makes a point, 2) Its true and you don't wanna hear it, 3) its true and your living under a blanket. JMHO..

You are wrong crazy. My country means a lot to me, and I just don't appreciate someone, just because they are famous, telling me I am a hypocrite because I am a patriot. I think Sir Mick should check his own morals and values before he starts judging US.

b/t/w - Keith obviously has enough common sense to know there would be lots of backlash on this.

[Dr. Jonah Rainwater]

Hold up. You can bash Bush without bashing America. Just as you can bash liberals without bashing America. America is BOTH liberal and conservative - neither side can claim the "correct" side.

Sorry - That's just something that bothers me, and I'm seeing alot of it in this thread.


While the Stones are probably just cashing in on a lucrative trend in Bush-bashing songs, you can't blame them for just selling out - after all, people buy them. Bush is a polarizing figure, which earns him both respect and contempt, but to say those who are turned off by him are unpatriotic is a rather un-American thing to say. It would be, er, hypocritical.

[sunny]

you can't blame them for just selling out - after all, people buy them.

Why can't I? They are the ones putting it out there. If they can criticize my president, I can criticize them. Goes both ways.

[Dr. Jonah Rainwater]

you can't blame them for just selling out - after all, people buy them.

Why can't I? They are the ones putting it out there. If they can criticize my president, I can criticize them. Goes both ways.

Eh. Good point. Just seems dumb for the Stones to criticize the President, then some of us criticize the Stones for criticizing the President, then others of us criticize the first batch of us for criticizing the Stones for criticizing the President, and on and on. Who really cares? People are entitled to voice their opinions in public.

[gtalum]

Mods - please don;t delete..I mean this was out on the shelves for every little Suzy and Johnny to see. Did the Chicks care?? NO!

I don't see what's objectionable about that photo. I assume by your indignation that you never take your children to a pool or to the beach?

[kevin]

I actually like the picture a lot. Its a good picture.

[stormie_skies]

Wow, I'm emailing this info to my daughter. She's coming from Roanoke, Va. to Pittsburgh next month to see the Stones. Being just like me, a "neocon", I think maybe a couple Stones concert tickets will be up for sale. I never liked the Stones anyway and now I have a really good reason.

I think that would be a shame.

If we all refused to enjoy anything that was created by people who didn't agree with us politically, spiritually or otherwise, life would sure become empty fast, wouldn't it?

I mean.....Beck is a Scientologist (:shudder:)....but I still think Guero is one of the best albums of the year. If I boycotted everyone who I disagreed with on something, I can't imagine how many good songs I wouldn't be able to sing along to, or good movies I would have to miss....

I'm betting that if your daughter is traveling such a long way for a concert, she must be a pretty big Rolling Stones fan. It would be sad - and kind of silly, IMHO - for that to change just because she doesn't like their politics. Because the songs she loves haven't changed at all....