Space Weather/Tropical Development Ahead

[cycloneye]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

[slowjoe]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

IMO

That is a great idea.

[tropical]

Thank you!

[Jim Hughes]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

So instead of telling these children or immature whining adults to get a life and read another different thread you remove a popular thread that was getting as many hits as anyone elses.

This tells me that some of the regulars were just jealous of the attention it was getting in much the same manner as a schoolyard favorite gets jealous when the new kid in School gets attention.


Look I know how the world works...S2K sponsors.....money...how many complained? Do you need a large donation? What's the number? I like to get straight to the chase ? Send it privately if you like.

I am sorry if I sound perturbed but this is the third time in three weeks that my theories are getting censored. First TWC folds it's forums and now you put my posts in a quiet corner of your forum. Like I said before the fox is watching the hen house and this just proves my point.

[loon]

I was hoping this stuff would not make it here from the Weather Channel Board. The TWC board is down so it was bound to happen....

Now that it has, perhaps it could be suggested that it have its own forum, like "Space Weather/Earth Weather". I agree with the moderator that said " He/They are entitled to thier opinions like everyone else", and I agree with that. However, I could make the argument that it does not yet anyway, belong in with the rational, logical, coherent, and verifiable influences, regarding tropical weather phenomenon. Many posts were very negative toward it. I wonder if it's because some dislike seeing this mixed in with what is normally a very sober forum.

I am in desperate need of finding the 'ignore' option for these space_weather_weenies.

Its called, do not read nor reply to these threads...easy enough. I believe even the thread title indicated it was space weather related, therefore, your post is more harmful than good, and only proves that you read all the way to page three of a "space weenie" text, rendering an "ignore" button useless even if there had been one.

I'm not backing up their thoughts nor dismissing them, however this IS a weather forum, they ARE discussing what they think effects some aspects of tropical weather, and the only people that I feel are out of place so far are those attacking other members posts or just posting to flame the threads in general.

cheers,
loon

LOON,

You just complained about my post and said it was out of place for attacking other members' posts. But you were attacking my post, joseph01's post and dreeze's post in the process.

ANYWAYS

1) I reaad this thread to determine if these guys are for real or if they are just here to stir up a bunch of trouble.

2) In my opinoin, they are here to stir up trouble.

3) They are polluting what is otherwise a very knowledgeable and educational place for amature weather enthusiasts. Because so many amatures log on here to LEARN something about meteorology, these irrelavant and blatantly intetionally-trouble making posts serve only to pollute.

Joe

If me saying that I thought people where out of place by attacking these threads instead of just leaving them alone, then I guess my views of "attacking" are skewed. My stating that you could ignore the threads instead of bashing it, I don't believe was attacking either. Anyway, the thread was moved, most of my posts (as usual when I state things everyone knows but nobody wants to say) were deleted, but atleast there is a place now for these guys to post freely now. Sorry admins for my percieved "attacks" as this poster claims, I in no way intended it to come across that way. I did not realize telling people to ignore something was attacking them, but I digress...

cheers,
loon

[loon]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

So instead of telling these children or immature whining adults to get a life and read another different thread you remove a popular thread that was getting as many hits as anyone elses.

This tells me that some of the regulars were just jealous of the attention it was getting in much the same manner as a schoolyard favorite gets jealous when the new kid in School gets attention.


Look I know how the world works...S2K sponsors.....money...how many complained? Do you need a large donation? What's the number? I like to get straight to the chase ? Send it privately if you like.

I am sorry if I sound perturbed but this is the third time in three weeks that my theories are getting censored. First TWC folds it's forums and now you put my posts in a quiet corner of your forum. Like I said before the fox is watching the hen house and this just proves my point.

I do wonder the response if you were to donate enough money for them to run off of for a year. Let me know if they get back to you Sir.

On their side though, they put a little sticky type thing on the talking tropics forum, however it may not be there long. I guess, and I know its kind of wrong, but atleast they allowed your posts to stay. I hate to see censorship of any kind, but a moderated board is just that, moderated. I thought it was going to be okay since you guys seem to have kept it within one thread, but it appears others members know whats best for everyone on this board and have persued the admins/mods to act accordingly to their demands. Well, all in all, I hope the discussion carries on.

cheers,
loon

[x-y-no]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I don't see how topical organization of posts amounts to censorship.

There's an announcment at the top of the tropical forum directing anyone interested to this forum. Who knows - maybe you'll generate some traffic in this underused space.

[mf_dolphin]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

So instead of telling these children or immature whining adults to get a life and read another different thread you remove a popular thread that was getting as many hits as anyone elses.

This tells me that some of the regulars were just jealous of the attention it was getting in much the same manner as a schoolyard favorite gets jealous when the new kid in School gets attention.


Look I know how the world works...S2K sponsors.....money...how many complained? Do you need a large donation? What's the number? I like to get straight to the chase ? Send it privately if you like.

I am sorry if I sound perturbed but this is the third time in three weeks that my theories are getting censored. First TWC folds it's forums and now you put my posts in a quiet corner of your forum. Like I said before the fox is watching the hen house and this just proves my point.

The fact that the threads were moved has nothing to do with mob rule and quite frankly it's personally insulting for you to make that assumption. Since your theories, if proven, would have a far greater impact than on just tropical development I felt this was a more appropriate forum for their continued discussion.

As to your off-handed comments about donations, while we are greatful for those that support the site financially, we run the site now as we have since it's inception almost three years ago. We will continue to do so without regard to a member's "S2K Supporter" status.

While I won't comment about the TWC forums, STORM2K is our hen house and Chad and I are the Roosters. If you can't accept that then I suggest you find some other place to post. Hopefully we'll get on with your discussion but if not good luck!

[Aslkahuna]

In the past, I have posted my aurora alerts and warnings elsewhere but now I shall post them only here.

Steve

[P.K.]

I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I post in here so that isn't quite true, just usually isn't about tropical weather though. (Such as the tornado thread from the other day)

[joseph01]

I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I post in here so that isn't quite true, just usually isn't about tropical weather though. (Such as the tornado thread from the other day)

Yeah...what he said. Why are you busting on the Global Forum! Sheesh! This is your opportunity to invigorate a possibly underused forum. A couple of old adages come to mind. "Every cloud has a silver lining" and "If you're handed lemons, make lemonade". So get busy.

[Jim Hughes]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I don't see how topical organization of posts amounts to censorship.

There's an announcment at the top of the tropical forum directing anyone interested to this forum. Who knows - maybe you'll generate some traffic in this underused space.

This is the last time that I Will speak about what has occurred today. I had spoken to Dolphin in some earlier private threads this morning but he must have came across my comments later... Maybe the term censorship was the wrong term to use but you can not deny that if some one is trying to sell something ...which I am in way..new theory... then you want to be where the traffic volume is high. It's obviously not in this section of Storm2K....right now....maybe later.

If we were selling things together on the busiest corner in the city would you like to move to a less traveled path? No of course not.....I have been sent to the back alley but I can deal with it....I've overcome harder obstacles before so this should be a piece of cake in the long run. I am not a quitter nor do I cut and run.

okay enough about this ...

Everyone needs to read Tinsley's paper on the solar wind modulation of the global electrical circuit. I rushed through it ..PDF ....It is an excellent paper ...fascinating

Electroscavenging has an effect upon cyclogenesis. Maritime clouds effected more....Many promising comment's that are somewhat in line with what I may have been observing over the years. Granted ..it's a little different...but I like what I read.... I do need to read it more thoroughly.


"Influence of solar wind on the global electric circuit , and inferred effects on cloud micro physics , temperature, and dynamics in the troposphere"


http://www.utdallas.edu/dept/physics/Fa ... in_rev.pdf

[banshee]

I've read all the threads since they've started but I'm having an extremely hard time making a connection simply because some of them jump around from here to there. Its plausible for space weather to effect earth weather because its all connected. For those of you who have an understanding whats happening it would help if you could, while explaining whats happening, make a direct correlation between the two. Or maybe explain the link with what may be happening at a specific time.

[senorpepr]

Everyone needs to read Tinsley's paper on the solar wind modulation of the global electrical circuit. I rushed through it ..PDF ....It is an excellent paper ...fascinating

Electroscavenging has an effect upon cyclogenesis. Maritime clouds effected more....Many promising comment's that are somewhat in line with what I may have been observing over the years. Granted ..it's a little different...but I like what I read.... I do need to read it more thoroughly.


"Influence of solar wind on the global electric circuit , and inferred effects on cloud micro physics , temperature, and dynamics in the troposphere"


http://www.utdallas.edu/dept/physics/Fa ... in_rev.pdf

Interesting paper... thanks for passing it along.

[Jim Hughes]

I've read all the threads since they've started but I'm having an extremely hard time making a connection simply because some of them jump around from here to there. Its plausible for space weather to effect earth weather because its all connected. For those of you who have an understanding whats happening it would help if you could, while explaining whats happening, make a direct correlation between the two. Or maybe explain the link with what may be happening at a specific time.

I have seen many different possible effects from the things that I have written about but this thread , and the previous one , dealt with tropical development and enhancement. My forecast the other night was a bust but TD8, which formed earlier today 21z....formed under all of the conditions that I have previously stated. (Although I question this thing being called a TD...stretching numbers? )

The Stanford Mean magnetic field is in a positive phase currently. The latest being + 35 on August 1st. (+18, +20, + 35)

This positive reading means that the conducive solar flaring/eruption etc...favors a NE/SW quadrant origin for these events. Region 792 produced this activity about 36 hours ago in the NE quadrant of the visible solar disk.

The solar wind speed fell below 500 km/sec around 02/16z today after being much higher the previous 24 hour .

The five hour smoothed solar wind speed centered around 02/21z was 478 km/sec. The previous five hour smoothed average 24 hours earlier, that was centered around 01/21z, was 537 km/sec.

The highest hourly average during the previous 72 hours was 613 km/sec.

All of these variables tend to show up prior to tropical development. The exact cause is still not known but it's fairly obvious that it's most likely an electrical relationship between the ionosphere and the atmosphere and probably all the way to the surface also.

It seems to me that the above variables change the global electrical circuit somehow and this particular change is conducive for tropical formation.

[Jim Hughes]

Everyone needs to read Tinsley's paper on the solar wind modulation of the global electrical circuit. I rushed through it ..PDF ....It is an excellent paper ...fascinating

Electroscavenging has an effect upon cyclogenesis. Maritime clouds effected more....Many promising comment's that are somewhat in line with what I may have been observing over the years. Granted ..it's a little different...but I like what I read.... I do need to read it more thoroughly.


"Influence of solar wind on the global electric circuit , and inferred effects on cloud micro physics , temperature, and dynamics in the troposphere"


http://www.utdallas.edu/dept/physics/Fa ... in_rev.pdf

Interesting paper... thanks for passing it along.

Your welcome. I read it again and I found it very interesting. I was sort of surprised that I had never read this one before. I try to read all of his research papers. He's definitely a leader in this particular field.

[Windy]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I don't see how topical organization of posts amounts to censorship.

There's an announcment at the top of the tropical forum directing anyone interested to this forum. Who knows - maybe you'll generate some traffic in this underused space.

Maybe the term censorship was the wrong term to use but you can not deny that if some one is trying to sell something ...which I am in way..new theory... then you want to be where the traffic volume is high. It's obviously not in this section of Storm2K....right now....maybe later.

If we were selling things together on the busiest corner in the city would you like to move to a less traveled path? No of course not.....I have been sent to the back alley but I can deal with it....I've overcome harder obstacles before so this should be a piece of cake in the long run. I am not a quitter nor do I cut and run.

Jim, the entire internet is a back alley. You don't sell scientific theories on weather boards. You sell them in peer-reviewed science publications. Of course, that requires that your theories have scientific merit, which usually neccesitates a mountain of supporting data analized in a statistically valid fashion. If you really want your theories to be widely discussed by people in the field, then that is the course you need to take. Your moving to a less trafficked forum has absoloutely zero impact on your scientific career or on the possible mainstream adoption of your theories. You won't change the face of established scientific theory by posting in internet forums.

[Jim Hughes]

The admins are considering making a new forum about Space themes.

So basically you have censored the discussion because of mob rule mentality. I just checked the Global forum for the first time and it's obvious that it doe not get any traffic at all.

I don't see how topical organization of posts amounts to censorship.

There's an announcment at the top of the tropical forum directing anyone interested to this forum. Who knows - maybe you'll generate some traffic in this underused space.

Maybe the term censorship was the wrong term to use but you can not deny that if some one is trying to sell something ...which I am in way..new theory... then you want to be where the traffic volume is high. It's obviously not in this section of Storm2K....right now....maybe later.

If we were selling things together on the busiest corner in the city would you like to move to a less traveled path? No of course not.....I have been sent to the back alley but I can deal with it....I've overcome harder obstacles before so this should be a piece of cake in the long run. I am not a quitter nor do I cut and run.

Jim, the entire internet is a back alley. You don't sell scientific theories on weather boards. You sell them in peer-reviewed science publications. Of course, that requires that your theories have scientific merit, which usually neccesitates a mountain of supporting data analized in a statistically valid fashion. If you really want your theories to be widely discussed by people in the field, then that is the course you need to take. Your moving to a less trafficked forum has absoloutely zero impact on your scientific career or on the possible mainstream adoption of your theories. You won't change the face of established scientific theory by posting in internet forums.

I disagree with you. Sure your rule of thumb is correct but you assume that everybody listens to what the rest of the scientific field thinks or uses IE.. forecasting weather.. ..of course most do..but others do not.

Plus why do you think an already approved science theory later appears in NATURE ...SCIENCE etc.. ? It's to talk about new findings and educate the mainstream. Not the scientific community as a whole. That is done in other journals.... ...Journal of Climate... Journal of Applied Meteorology

Well these threads were getting some views and I have indirectly opened up some eyes to this possible link. I have shared research papers etc...So I have educated in a way and the Internet can do this.

Two different things that I talked about in public forums before ended up being written up later in science publications. So some people could have learned something prior to it being labeled officially correct.

I did not need to hear the experts tell me that the warmer subsurface water temperatures could have an effect up tropical systems. I brought forward this theory in the old TWC forum on Compuserve in late 96' or some time in 1997. ( I believe the latter)

A couple of people, particularly one, who was within the meteorological field , argued with me about it's Merritt. It later appeared in publication down the road a in 1999. Was it published somewhere else earlier? Not to my knowledge but I guess it could have. I know for a fact that TWC was NOT talking about it back then.

Does this mean that I am right here? No of course. But if I happened to notice something before, like the above mentioned, then maybe it's happening again.

BTW Windy I remember an earlier thread from you but I think it was to Mike. This will be my last reply back to you in regards to you monitoring my procedures. I am sorry but I do not have the time for these type of exchanges. If you want to bring up things about the Tinsley paper or the Baranyi paper or whatever that is fine but I do not know who you are and I do not need lectures...per say. Have a nice day.

[x-y-no]

Everyone needs to read Tinsley's paper on the solar wind modulation of the global electrical circuit. I rushed through it ..PDF ....It is an excellent paper ...fascinating

Electroscavenging has an effect upon cyclogenesis. Maritime clouds effected more....Many promising comment's that are somewhat in line with what I may have been observing over the years. Granted ..it's a little different...but I like what I read.... I do need to read it more thoroughly.


"Influence of solar wind on the global electric circuit , and inferred effects on cloud micro physics , temperature, and dynamics in the troposphere"


http://www.utdallas.edu/dept/physics/Fa ... in_rev.pdf

I'll try to get to this tonight.

Jan

[Jim Hughes]

Everyone needs to read Tinsley's paper on the solar wind modulation of the global electrical circuit. I rushed through it ..PDF ....It is an excellent paper ...fascinating

Electroscavenging has an effect upon cyclogenesis. Maritime clouds effected more....Many promising comment's that are somewhat in line with what I may have been observing over the years. Granted ..it's a little different...but I like what I read.... I do need to read it more thoroughly.


"Influence of solar wind on the global electric circuit , and inferred effects on cloud micro physics , temperature, and dynamics in the troposphere"


http://www.utdallas.edu/dept/physics/Fa ... in_rev.pdf

I'll try to get to this tonight.

Jan

It's quite interesting and it may shed light on some things....Oh ...BTW thanks for stopping by...I would have turned the heat on if I knew you were coming......It''s kind of cold back here.