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#41 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:44 pm

Hurricanehink wrote:Hurricane Ethel, 1960- Reached Cat. 5 in the Gulf of Mexico (though in re-analysis I will bet a million dollars that it will be reduced a lot), weakened to TS before landfall.


Don't think that happened. I was ready to post it (and Dog, though I forgot the year until you pointed it out in your last post), but then I thought that there was no way that was true. Unisys said it had a minimum pressure of 981 mb. Now, that was 6 hours before the data says Ethel became a Cat 5, and at that time, the data suggests Ethel to be a Cat 3. It couldn't have strengthened and weakened that quickly.

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1960/ETHEL/track.dat

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EDIT: Didn't see the part where you bet a million dollars that it wasn't a Cat 5 hahaha, well anyway here's the proof, and yeah, I'd bet a billion that it wasn't a Cat 5.
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#42 Postby gilbert88 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:45 pm

jason0509 wrote:It does mention Meridia, Mexico and the 2 deaths.

But, yeah, upon reflection: I generally agree with whatever the hurricane centers do so I guess I shouldn't question them here.

I wouldn't have retired it but I'm sure they have reasons that I'm missing.


It has been one of the most expensive hurricanes ever for Mexico, as it hit Mérida (the biggest city in Yucatan) directly and stalled over the peninsula flooding many towns further inland.

Let me try to look up the numbers...


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Here:

http://www.elpanamaamerica.com.pa/archi ... on16.shtml

More than a 1000 million in damage. Probably it didn't get too much coverage, as it didn't hit Cancun.
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#43 Postby Jim Cantore » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:48 pm

ethel must have had a really favorable area then just ran into some MAJOR sheer or dry air (both maybe)
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#44 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:50 pm

Does anybody know why Hurricane Klaus was retired in 1990? Was it because Santa Claus was coming to town :lol: or was it really that bad in Martinique?

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#45 Postby HurricaneBill » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:26 pm

From the little info on the internet I've found on Klaus, I think Klaus caused severe flooding on Martinique. Kinda similar to Hortense.

Klaus ultimately was responsible for around 12 deaths.
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#46 Postby HurricaneBill » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:28 pm

I don't think Ethel went higher than a low-end Category 3.

However, Ethel did make landfall as a strong Category 1. Sustained winds of 90 mph were recorded.
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#47 Postby HurricaneBill » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:29 pm

Gilbert88, do you have any info on Hurricane Diana in 1990?

Along with Klaus, Diana has to be one of the most difficult storms to find on the internet.
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#48 Postby gilbert88 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:57 pm

HurricaneBill wrote:Gilbert88, do you have any info on Hurricane Diana in 1990?

Along with Klaus, Diana has to be one of the most difficult storms to find on the internet.


There's very little information on Diana indeed... the only thing I could dig up in Spanish is this table from a PDF study published by the UNAM (Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México).

Here's an excerpt of that table (translated). I don't know what to think of these figures, as according to the report the reported damage for Gilbert's two major hurricane landfalls and massive floods was of only 76 million (would that make sense even for a single cat 5 landfall?). :eek:

Well, here you go

Tabla 3 Desastres Meteorológicos en México de 1980 a 1999
(millions of dollars)
Event/Casualties/Damage

Gilbert(88)/225/76.0/
Diana(90)/139/90.7/


Source: http://www.cenapred.unam.mx/estructura/ ... o80-89.pdf

(it has additional info about other Mexico hurricanes and disasters)
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#49 Postby wxwatcher91 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:23 am

wow according to wundergrounds data, 64 hurricanes retired in 55 years, out of which 14 were retired just in the past 5 years (2001 through 2005) and 2005 could well see another 2 3 or even 4 more retired...
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