what about the FSU Superensemble

[air360]

was just curious if any knew what the FSU Superensemble was saying about our new TD. With all the models (and even forecasters) showing such a variation of forecasts i would be curious to know what that it says.

[Hyperstorm]

This model is not publicly available, so unfortunately there's no way of knowing what it's showing unless a NHC forecaster talks about it.

[artist]

try this link -


http://moe.met.fsu.edu/mm5/

[gkrangers]

try this link -


http://moe.met.fsu.edu/mm5/

Thats not it, thats just the FSU MM5.

[ericinmia]

Thats only the mm5, not their superensemble.

[WeatherEmperor]

Who do you gotta pay around here to get info on that model.......?

<RICKY>

[seaswing]

[air360]

Who do you gotta pay around here to get info on that model.......?

<RICKY>

a lot more than most of us can afford........lol

[jlauderdal]

Who do you gotta pay around here to get info on that model.......?

<RICKY>

i dont know but i don't see what the big secret is with this model. furthermore it s a weather model and my tax dollars are helping fsu out so i am entitled!!

[WeatherEmperor]

Who do you gotta pay around here to get info on that model.......?

<RICKY>

i dont know but i don't see what the big secret is with this model. furthermore it s a weather model and my tax dollars are helping fsu out so i am entitled!!

thats right jlauderdal. lets make em caugh it up!!!! lol nah never mind im just kidding around.

<RICKY>

[Steve]

>>i dont know but i don't see what the big secret is with this model. furthermore it s a weather model and my tax dollars are helping fsu out so i am entitled!!

PM HankFrank @ CFHC. He may still have connections at FSU from his studies at the FSU Met Dept. If he does, he'll tell you.

Steve

[Derek Ortt]

No your tax dollars are not funding that model. That was likely developed using research grants

Furthermore, just because your tax dollars pay for something, doesn't mean you are entitled to it. Using that logic, you are entitled to classified national security info just because your tax dollars fund it

[clfenwi]

It may have been relaxed since, but local access to the Superensemble output was tightened after a forecast track from it ended up on the front page of the Tallahassee Democrat (during Jeanne, IIRC).

[jlauderdal]

No your tax dollars are not funding that model. That was likely developed using research grants

Furthermore, just because your tax dollars pay for something, doesn't mean you are entitled to it. Using that logic, you are entitled to classified national security info just because your tax dollars fund it

i said in my post its a weather model and what is the big deal that is so secret? you are in the biz, can you explain what is so special about it?

[clfenwi]

Also note that it is covered by patent 6,535,817 B1 "Methods, Systems and Computer Program Products for Generating Weather Forecasts from a Multi-Model Superensemble"

[Rainband]

No your tax dollars are not funding that model. That was likely developed using research grants

Furthermore, just because your tax dollars pay for something, doesn't mean you are entitled to it. Using that logic, you are entitled to classified national security info just because your tax dollars fund it

You need to chill.

[jlauderdal]

No your tax dollars are not funding that model. That was likely developed using research grants

Furthermore, just because your tax dollars pay for something, doesn't mean you are entitled to it. Using that logic, you are entitled to classified national security info just because your tax dollars fund it

I found this on their website:

Support from a private company--an insurance underwriting consortium--already has contributed towards the main computers, an IBM SP supercomputer and two IBM high-powered workstations, and if tests continue to show promise, interest in getting the technique into the public arsenal of forecasting tools surely will follow.

Support and contributed towards tell me that is partial and not complete. I am all for reasearch and all that but I can't figure out why this one is secret and a bunch of others aren't.

[Derek Ortt]

probably secret for the same reason the UM MM5 is. Its still bein developed. A product under construction never should be released

[jlauderdal]

probably secret for the same reason the UM MM5 is. Its still bein developed. A product under construction never should be released

this is good discussion so everyone in the thread keep your cool. " A product under construction never should be released", derek aren't the other models constantly being developed and fine tuned? this model is good enough for nhc to use as a tool and thus is on par with the others or at least in the game.

[Mac]

I really don't get it either. I understand why drug companies patent their products. After the millions they invest in R&D, they are entitled to recoup a profit. But the FSU super ensemble is surely not going to be marketed and distributed. And it's not like anybody else besides FSU can make the model do its magic. So what's the harm in releasing the model's forecasts?