Disturbing post on another forum about evacuations in Mexico
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It always amazes me that the airlines don't send extra flights to get Americans out of harm's way. I realize the economic problems but at the same time they are increasing their good will and they are losing those routes during and after the storm anyway.
When we were stuck in St. Maarten for Luis the airlines ran their normal flights up until the time the airport closed (no extra flights) and afterwards it was almost a week before they could get back in but did not bring extra planes then either (They brought bigger planes that had a hard time with the short runway!!!)
To top it off there was a rumor (I never confirmed it) that the US Gov't sent in a plane about six days after the storm to take off US citizens but they were having people sign open ended promissory notes to pay for the flight!!!
It took us a week in unbelievable conditions before we could get on a flight during which time we had no contact with the outside world. I hope they do something with the residents and visitors alike to make certain of their safety and relative comfort.
Lynn
When we were stuck in St. Maarten for Luis the airlines ran their normal flights up until the time the airport closed (no extra flights) and afterwards it was almost a week before they could get back in but did not bring extra planes then either (They brought bigger planes that had a hard time with the short runway!!!)
To top it off there was a rumor (I never confirmed it) that the US Gov't sent in a plane about six days after the storm to take off US citizens but they were having people sign open ended promissory notes to pay for the flight!!!
It took us a week in unbelievable conditions before we could get on a flight during which time we had no contact with the outside world. I hope they do something with the residents and visitors alike to make certain of their safety and relative comfort.
Lynn
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Well, I didn't expect to get blasted for sharing my experience.
If you read my posts you will note I am not a whiner or complainer and am not of the entitlement mentality. 1.) I had paid for a round trip ticket 2.) I think the airlines can do more even if it is only a couple of planes-it would have been a big help. 3.) maybe you think the air strip is long enough but the pilot was having problems calculating the weight and wind speed because of the size of the plane-he shared that with us several times. He was very relieved to have taken off safely andshared that as well. This is not an exaggeration and is all I will say on the subject except that I know there are many families right now who wish for a few extra planes to get them out of harm's way.
'Nuff said.
Lynn
If you read my posts you will note I am not a whiner or complainer and am not of the entitlement mentality. 1.) I had paid for a round trip ticket 2.) I think the airlines can do more even if it is only a couple of planes-it would have been a big help. 3.) maybe you think the air strip is long enough but the pilot was having problems calculating the weight and wind speed because of the size of the plane-he shared that with us several times. He was very relieved to have taken off safely andshared that as well. This is not an exaggeration and is all I will say on the subject except that I know there are many families right now who wish for a few extra planes to get them out of harm's way.
'Nuff said.
Lynn
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http://estadis.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/294327.html ... a rough translation of the parts of interest...
25,490 tourists could not leave Cancun but were located in safe places.
34,950 vistors had left the Rivera Maya, leaving 9,558 who were located in hotels that were serving as shelters
In Cozumel there remained 2,750 tourists...3,150 had left.
Hotel occupancy in Chetumal is 83% and there is room for tourists displaced from the north.
100 tourists remained in the Islas Mujeres, they signed a letter acknowledging responsibility, while 1,400 had left.
25,490 tourists could not leave Cancun but were located in safe places.
34,950 vistors had left the Rivera Maya, leaving 9,558 who were located in hotels that were serving as shelters
In Cozumel there remained 2,750 tourists...3,150 had left.
Hotel occupancy in Chetumal is 83% and there is room for tourists displaced from the north.
100 tourists remained in the Islas Mujeres, they signed a letter acknowledging responsibility, while 1,400 had left.
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clfenwi wrote:Persepone wrote:clfenwi wrote:I wish I could get this (http://www.novenet.com.mx/noticias/port ... 5julio.pdf ) to load so I could cite the numbers, but the story on the top right corner suggested that the area did not have nearly enough busses to pull of the evacuation the way it was being described (i.e. tourists being bussed away from the danger area).
Oh, it is in Spanish, so if you aren't bi/multi-lingual...
I think this is what you are looking for:
Refugios para zona hotelera 67
3 a 4
HORAS
508
CAPACIDAD: 32 mil 34 turistas
TOTAL DE TURISTAS: 80 mil
Refugios
EN ZONA URBANA: 131
AREAS RURALES: 45
Autobuses para evacuar
CAPACIDAD: 20 mil 320 lugares
DÉFICIT: 300 a 400 autobuses.
Tiempo de desalojo
AVISO DE EVACUACIÓN: 24 horas
antes de entrar el huracán.
EQUIPAMIENTO
DE BENITO JUÁREZ
I think it says there is a discrepancy between resources available and the number of people to evacuate--but I'm not bilingual in Spanish... perhaps someone who is can translate these figures...
I did not have trouble seeing the page, but it did take some time to download the PDF file (you need Acrobat).
Ah, thanks...the best I grasp it, there are 67 shelters with a capacity for 32,000 tourists...but there are 80,000 tourists in the area...There are 500 busses, but their capacity is only 20,320, they are short 300-400... the time of 'desalojo' is 3-4 hours...evacuation warning comes 24 hours before the arrival of the hurricane...
I have a very bad feeling about what might happen in the Yucatan. Your translation is not at all reassuring to anyone who has loved ones down there--be they tourist family members, or the family of so many of our illegals here.
Prayers for them all....God keep everyone in harm's way safe.
Jeny
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Also, airlines generally do not have extra planes just lying aorund.
Actually the opposite is quite true and most airlines do have extra planes in rotation.
Extra sections can be added without loss the to airline as long as the ticket is already paid for on the round trip. In fact, the airline even saves a little by adding a larger, more efficient aircraft.
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Sanibel wrote:Actually the opposite is quite true and most airlines do have extra planes in rotation.
Extra sections can be added without loss the to airline as long as the ticket is already paid for on the round trip. In fact, the airline even saves a little by adding a larger, more efficient aircraft.
You're talking about the "hot spare". They won't take the hot spare and add it as an extra section, as it could cripple another part of the network if a plane should go mx on them. Airlines do not have planes just lying around waiting to be used.
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tndefender wrote:Interesting and troubling story about Cancun area today: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArt ... -EMILY.xml
Troubling because My 2 children were there this week and had a flight scheduled for 2 p.m. today. I heard from another source that they were shutting down the Cancun airport at 2. I hope they make it out today.
Wow... I can only imagine. I hope they get out all right... Then again, I suppose the airport is one of the better places to be stranded. It's built well, most likely.
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More from El Universal (not necessarily evacuation related) ...
A helicopter that was being used to evacuate the oil company workers from their platforms crashed in the BOC. Pilot and co-pilot were the only ones on-board at the time; both were killed.
In Ciudad del Carmen a man was killed when he was taking down his television antenna and it touched a high tension line; he was electrocuted.
A helicopter that was being used to evacuate the oil company workers from their platforms crashed in the BOC. Pilot and co-pilot were the only ones on-board at the time; both were killed.
In Ciudad del Carmen a man was killed when he was taking down his television antenna and it touched a high tension line; he was electrocuted.
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I have friends that went to Cancun Friday. I tried my best to convince them not to but I got told, "We booked this trip through AAA and they say it will be okay." They went on to say the "travel agent" was monitoring the storm and would certainly advise them to cancel if they were in harms way. I'm afraid they are about a learn a lesson they won't forget if they survive it. This whole family lives outside of hurricane country and have no idea what's coming at them. People put there trust in the strangest people. They really wanted to go to Cancun so they listened to the only people that told them it was a safe bet. So stupid, so very very stupid.
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Downdraft wrote:I have friends that went to Cancun Friday. I tried my best to convince them not to but I got told, "We booked this trip through AAA and they say it will be okay." They went on to say the "travel agent" was monitoring the storm and would certainly advise them to cancel if they were in harms way. I'm afraid they are about a learn a lesson they won't forget if they survive it. This whole family lives outside of hurricane country and have no idea what's coming at them. People put there trust in the strangest people. They really wanted to go to Cancun so they listened to the only people that told them it was a safe bet. So stupid, so very very stupid.
Oh God Downdraft!!
Sounds like they have a lawsuit as well...Emily was pointing in that direction since arrived in the Caribbean. The only thing the travel agent was watching was their pocket books!
They at the very least should get a complete refund!
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