What causes more damage-A tsunami or a bonafide cat 5?

[Innotech]

that isnt poor science. there is a definite visible fissure in lapalma around Cumbre Vieja. The magma chambers in the volcano are filled with water and this causes steam and immense pressure, which forms cracks in the ovlcanos structure. Its only a matter of time when a large eruption finally breaks the volcano apart and the resultant tsunami will be absolutely monstrous. This isnt science fiction.

[HurryKane]

that isnt poor science. there is a definite visible fissure in lapalma around Cumbre Vieja. The magma chambers in the volcano are filled with water and this causes steam and immense pressure, which forms cracks in the ovlcanos structure. Its only a matter of time when a large eruption finally breaks the volcano apart and the resultant tsunami will be absolutely monstrous. This isnt science fiction.

I never said it was wholly science fiction. I know the Cumbre Vieja fissure exists. However some people disagree with the results of the tsunami computer model that was shown on the Discovery Channel doc. That's all I was pointing out.

[Brent]

I'm off to bed so I'll check this again in the morning but if you were in say Cancun and somebody gave you two choices:
1. The same type of tsunami that hit the epicenter of the December 26th quake near Sumatra? Not the waves that hit Sri Lanka, Maldives, etc but the waves that hit Indonesia.
2. A cat 5 with say winds of 170 mph+.

What would you choose? Which would cause less damage? Is there any appreciable difference?

A tsunami, hands down. An unexpected tsunami wipes out everything in its path, it nearly inescapable, and is highly lethal. More people died in the first ten minutes of the tsunami of December 26th than in all hurricanes and typhoons over the past decade.

Yeah it's not even close. Even the 1900 Galveston hurricane which was the deadliest hurricane in U.S. history killed about 8,000. While that is a lot, the Asian Tsunami killed at least 150,000.

[Innotech]

that isnt poor science. there is a definite visible fissure in lapalma around Cumbre Vieja. The magma chambers in the volcano are filled with water and this causes steam and immense pressure, which forms cracks in the ovlcanos structure. Its only a matter of time when a large eruption finally breaks the volcano apart and the resultant tsunami will be absolutely monstrous. This isnt science fiction.

I never said it was wholly science fiction. I know the Cumbre Vieja fissure exists. However some people disagree with the results of the tsunami computer model that was shown on the Discovery Channel doc. That's all I was pointing out.

I remember seeing something about a gigantic tsunami on the Alaskan coast from a fallingp iece of glacier or osmething once. There was eyewitness accounts from 2 men who rode it out on a small boat and it took their boat hundreds of feet in the air and deposited it a few miles inland on osme trees. Now if a relatively small glacier can do that, imagine what a trillion ton piece of earth can do.

[Innotech]

SORRY COMPUTER MESSED UP*

[HurryKane]

that isnt poor science. there is a definite visible fissure in lapalma around Cumbre Vieja. The magma chambers in the volcano are filled with water and this causes steam and immense pressure, which forms cracks in the ovlcanos structure. Its only a matter of time when a large eruption finally breaks the volcano apart and the resultant tsunami will be absolutely monstrous. This isnt science fiction.

I never said it was wholly science fiction. I know the Cumbre Vieja fissure exists. However some people disagree with the results of the tsunami computer model that was shown on the Discovery Channel doc. That's all I was pointing out.

I remember seeing something about a gigantic tsunami on the Alaskan coast from a fallingp iece of glacier or osmething once. There was eyewitness accounts from 2 men who rode it out on a small boat and it took their boat hundreds of feet in the air and deposited it a few miles inland on osme trees. Now if a relatively small glacier can do that, imagine what a trillion ton piece of earth can do.

I can imagine a lot of things, doesn't mean they have any basis in science. The circumstances around the Alaskan tsunami you reference are probably quite different from the La Palma case.

As I'm not anywhere near to being an expert in geological science or tsunamis, I'd need to read a lot more before making a conclusion one way or the other. I was just trying to provide counterpoints so that others could decide for themselves.

[Innotech]

that isnt poor science. there is a definite visible fissure in lapalma around Cumbre Vieja. The magma chambers in the volcano are filled with water and this causes steam and immense pressure, which forms cracks in the ovlcanos structure. Its only a matter of time when a large eruption finally breaks the volcano apart and the resultant tsunami will be absolutely monstrous. This isnt science fiction.

I never said it was wholly science fiction. I know the Cumbre Vieja fissure exists. However some people disagree with the results of the tsunami computer model that was shown on the Discovery Channel doc. That's all I was pointing out.

I remember seeing something about a gigantic tsunami on the Alaskan coast from a fallingp iece of glacier or osmething once. There was eyewitness accounts from 2 men who rode it out on a small boat and it took their boat hundreds of feet in the air and deposited it a few miles inland on osme trees. Now if a relatively small glacier can do that, imagine what a trillion ton piece of earth can do.

I can imagine a lot of things, doesn't mean they have any basis in science. The circumstances around the Alaskan tsunami you reference are probably quite different from the La Palma case.

As I'm not anywhere near to being an expert in geological science or tsunamis, I'd need to read a lot more before making a conclusion one way or the other. I was just trying to provide counterpoints so that others could decide for themselves.

thats fine, but I certainly believe there is plenty of evidence that it will happen. maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually. Same with Yellowstone. Its an unbleievably catastrophic event and the probability is super low, but it only takes that one time to change history and prove the theories correct. thats why I dont doubt this could happen.

[beachbum_al]

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[Derecho]

A tsunami since there is little warning and the water moves further inland and much faster.

I read a story about all the fish that it shoved up on land. Remember finding nemo the fish with the light over its head. Theres a fish looks exactly like it

Umm..after the Indonesia tsunami there was a bogus set of pics that got passed around the internet through e-mail, posted on message boards, etc. of exotic fish supposedly washed up by the Tsunami...it was a hoax. All the pics were of real deepwater fish but none had anything to do from the tsunami and were not from the region.

[Aslkahuna]

The Alaskan event occurred in Lituya Bay AK and was the result of a Debris flow avalanche into one arm of the Bay. The runup in the Bay reached 500m in height and the boat with the two men in it passed over the tops of 100-200 ft trees as it was washed out of the Bay by the wave. It is based upon this event, evidence of prehistoric runups of as high as 300m in HI from debris flow avalanches (and one in Scotland) as well as the evidence for a runup from the K-T Extinction event where the model simulations have been developed for other postulated events.

Steve

[Hurricaneman]

tsunami