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#21 Postby duris » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:56 pm

lsu2001 wrote:it is better to err on the side of caution.
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Absolutely correct.

Both last year and this year have had me thinking about the issue a lot. One of our secretaries came in recently asking if our IT dept. was doing everything possible to take care of the network in case of the worst case scenario. She was shocked when I told her that in the worst case scenario, the computers were the last thing to worry about because we'd be out of business and the city gone for all purposes. I told her we needed to worry about more likely scenarios like, what if the building catches on fire (which almost happened recently with a lightning strike). She was almost as shocked as I was when told last year that our business interruption insurance would not pay the partners in the event of a catastrophe, so ironically, we'd probably be better off with the insurance proceeds from total destruction of our building.

All you can do is be alert. Can't stay up at nights worrying about it. And I'll still take hurricanes over earthquakes. One of those was enough for me.
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#22 Postby coco » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:58 pm

Two days before Dennis hit, Bob Breck was saying this doesn't look good for New Orleans, get ready, etc. He used his little VIPIR machine graphics and VIPIR had a dead-on hit for N.O. The next day, he said go on vacation, Dennis isn't coming to N.O., he used his little VIPIR machine to again support his comments. He was right. However, the day before he was scaring the poop out of the viewers even though Dennis was still near Cuba. While I tend to watch Bob for fun and those to see those crazy Miami Vice outfits, I listen to WWL and ABC26 Meterologists for the real weather.
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#23 Postby duris » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:59 pm

HollynLA wrote: Let's face it, the biggest problem the city faces is that it is several feet BELOW sea level.


Yeah, exactly what were Iberville, Bienville, whichever one it was (been a long time since 8th grade LA history), thinking anyway? Geez.
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#24 Postby coco » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:06 pm

Louisianians, New Orleanians and surrounding residents know, we know Louisiana is sinking, we know that is what left is receding into the Gulf, we know we live in a bowl which is evident by heavy rainfall, we know to board up and prepare for hurricanes, we know to make our own decision to leave when a hurricane and we know not to take Bob Breck seriously. What I don't know is why no one could get Tropical Storm Cindy correct. I still think Broussard jumped the gun.
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#25 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:07 pm

command and control of the Mississippi river. NO is a very strategic point in the river and control of NO means control of the river and therefore much of the country.
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#26 Postby duris » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:39 pm

lsu2001 wrote:command and control of the Mississippi river. NO is a very strategic point in the river and control of NO means control of the river and therefore much of the country.
TIm


I know you're right, but in hindisght, I think I would have commanded and controlled from Port Hudson or maybe Vicksburg. :D
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#27 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:51 pm

Me tooooooo!!!! :lol:
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#28 Postby HurryKane » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:43 pm

duris wrote:
lsu2001 wrote:command and control of the Mississippi river. NO is a very strategic point in the river and control of NO means control of the river and therefore much of the country.
TIm


I know you're right, but in hindisght, I think I would have commanded and controlled from Port Hudson or maybe Vicksburg. :D


I'm here to tell you...Vicksburg is teh suck. :)
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#29 Postby sunny » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:27 am

nola.com

Jeff may abandon evacuation compact
Broussard: Parish security comes first
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
By Sheila Grissett and Ed Anderson
Staff writers

A battle over the state's new evacuation guideline grew more heated Tuesday with Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard saying Jefferson could pull out of the plan and Gov. Kathleen Blanco suggesting it may be time to discuss whether state officials, and not parish leaders, should have the final say on evacuation orders.

In a stinging, four-page letter to Blanco, Broussard criticized portions of the evacuation procedure and some of Blanco's public remarks about the need for southeast Louisiana parishes to stick together and follow the plan, completed three months ago.

During a public appearance on an unrelated matter just minutes after getting the letter, Blanco said one issue that needs considering is whether the state's top emergency personnel, including State Police and Homeland Security, should have the final say on when or if parishes should evacuate.

"We will be talking about that in the next few weeks," Blanco said.

Broussard said Tuesday that he wouldn't turn over decision-making authority unless the Legislature put the state in charge of the process

"I would never willingly abrogate my responsibility," he said.

Contraflow request

The new plan was written to correct mistakes that led to September's nightmare evacuation from Hurricane Ivan. It calls for residents from low-lying coastal communities to leave first, followed by the West Bank and, finally, the heavily populated areas of East Jefferson and Orleans Parish.

Last Friday, Broussard recommended that all Jefferson Parish residents begin a voluntary evacuation at noon as Hurricane Dennis approached Cuba, 50 hours from its eventual U.S. landfall. He also asked State Police to implement contraflow, a system of reversing interstate lanes that isn't called for in the state plan until the winds of a serious storm are about 30 hours from hitting the coast.

Broussard has said the plan isn't flexible enough to provide advance, daylight evacuations for residents in his parish, and he reiterated Tuesday that he would pull out of the arrangement before following procedures that he and his staff don't think are in the best interest of Jefferson Parish.

Blanco had little to say about the controversy Tuesday and offered no direct criticism of Broussard. But she suggested that when emergency officials meet in coming days and weeks to evaluate Hurricane Dennis, a topic of discussion will be who should be authorized to order evacuations.

Blanco didn't say she favors shifting responsibility to the state, only that the concept should be explored.

Although many Louisianians are hurricane-savvy and know when to evacuate, others rely on official direction. In those cases, Blanco said, a premature evacuation is just as harmful as a late one.

"A premature decision causes you problems," Blanco said. "If you do that constantly, people lose confidence" in officials and will not leave when a major storm imperils an error.

"I think this will all work out in the long run, but I think right now emotions are high and everybody's justifying their decisions," the governor said. "I think everybody will settle down and look at the needs of the region."

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Broussard said Tuesday that he remains confident in his decision last Friday to recommend a midday evacuation to ensure parish residents had plenty of time to reach a destination before dark.

The contraflow requested by Broussard would have closed I-10, I-55 and I-59 to incoming traffic at a time when Hurricane Dennis had not yet reached Cuba and before any other parishes, including low-lying communities south of the Intracoastal Waterway, were being advised by their emergency officials to evacuate.

"But I learned my lesson," Broussard said Tuesday. "I won't ask for contraflow again. I'll recommend evacuation and leave it to state officials to implement contraflow."

State officials who helped write the new plan said using contraflow in the final stage of their three-phase evacuation will allow the efficient evacuation of the entire southeast Louisiana region.

"We can move the population out in 50 hours," said Lt. Chris Bodet, evacuation coordinator for Troop B. "Of course, we always like to see people leave early. It makes it easier for them, and it puts less people on the road in the final stage of evacuation. But lots of people can't do that, especially in Orleans Parish, and this is a plan designed for the entire region."

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Broussard said he and his top advisers don't believe that the area can be evacuated in 50 hours. And even if it can, he said, the phased evacuation doesn't give him the flexibility to ensure that Jefferson Parish residents can always begin to evacuate during daylight hours.

Unless he is forced to pull out of the plan, Broussard said, he will continue to try work within the state's guidelines and always give low-lying parishes the opportunity to evacuate ahead of Jefferson.

"Emily is coming," Broussard said of the new tropical storm expected to be near Cuba on Sunday, "and I pledge to the other parish presidents today that I will endeavor to implement this (state) plan without endangering my residents."
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Sheila Grissett can be reached at sgrissett@timespicayune.com or (504) 883-7058.
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Re: Voluntary Evacuations...

#30 Postby bbadon » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:24 am

coco wrote:Think about it, aren't we always under a voluntary evacuation? Duh! I mean, can't you leave your home/parish/state at any time you wish? You don't need an elected official telling you now is the time for a voluntary evacuation. Duh. While I was pleased that Mr. Broussard and Mr. Mastri were both so visible during the time leading up to the landfall of Dennis. However, what did get under my skin was Mr. Broussard and Mr. Mastri telling people to just make a 3 day vacation of the evacuation, go to Memphis, Nashville and listen to the music, go to HotSprings and enjoy the Springs... ugh!!!! Mr. Broussard and Mr. Mastri, some people including your constituents don't have the money for a 3 day vacation. In fact, your calling for the early evacuation cost people money. Lots of money. Even if you are calling for a voluntary evacuation, suggest the voluntary evacuation don't make it sound mandatory.



There is no such thing in the State of Louisiana as a mandatory evactuation. Therefore, it really doesn't make a difference. As stated in another post, people will when they are good and ready. Instinctively everyone waits until the last possible minute. Thats just how it is.
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#31 Postby Jagno » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:12 am

If and when the state decides to take control of its parishes we will have a MAJOR problem. It's bad enough now that the states new plan trys to put Lake Charles and it's 189,000 residents all northbound (contraflow) on a two lane highway under heavy contruction to head towards our designated shelter of Pitkin High School. Give me a break. This is totally rediculous and just proves once more that it's the people that will need to wake up and think for themselves instead of listening to the talking heads. This school is smaller than most of our elementary schools here. :(
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Re: Voluntary Evacuations...

#32 Postby coco » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:40 am

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There is no such thing in the State of Louisiana as a mandatory evactuation. Therefore, it really doesn't make a difference. As stated in another post, people will when they are good and ready. Instinctively everyone waits until the last possible minute. Thats just how it is.[/quote]

True. There may not be a LAW that when a mandatory evacuation is issued you must leave. But, in Plaquemines Parish, they often issue mandatory evacuations, most recently with Ivan. Now a resident may or may not heed that order to evacuate, but Plaquemines Parish has called for many mandatory evacuations, and will continue to do so. My point was, you, me or the guy down the road can leave their home at any time, before during or after a hurricane. I don't need someone like Aaron Broussard or any other elected official telling me to leave and I certainly don't need some elected flunky jokingly telling me to make a vacation out of an evacuation. I don't need anyone telling me I need to leave my home. My home, my life, my decision.
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#33 Postby KYAGoodbye » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:59 pm

No one in their right mind should make evacuation decisions based on what "Big Brother" says. In New Orleans, the doomsday scenario is real and the hype has not impressed the populace. I for one decline to sit on the interstate with the broken down duct taped New Orleans vehicles as the storm hits. Drivers here did not even know how to handle the street lights being out due to "Tropical Storm" Cindy, yet a TP columnist blamed it on the police today:http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/elie/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1121232359314250.xml.
How do you think they will handle a mandatory evacuation with a Cat 3 breathing down our necks? And historical models are irrelevant, as the coast has disappeared since our last major storm in 65, Betsy, a Cat 3.
I'll listen to Maestri--an actual hurricane expert-- over Nagin any day, as Nagin was improperly trying to "make up" for his perceived error in ordering evacuation in Ivan, a storm that would have devastated New Orleans.
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