Troubling Joe B. video for SE LA/S MS this morning...

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Troubling Joe B. video for SE LA/S MS this morning...

#1 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:36 am

Joe thinks this system is a cross between Hurricane Betsy and 1947. He claims the GFS Suite (incl. GFDL) have the model initialized wrong and about 70 miles too far north. Obviously if he verifies from this far out, it's the disaster situation for New Orleans (or whatever we can get from a Cat 3). S MS would find themselves close or in the NE quadrant.

Personally, I'm liking a compromise between Joe B. and the Mobile models and am coming around to thinking a hit between Baldwin Co. and Plaquemines Parish, LA might be reasonable. Of course this is all based on where Dennis crosses Cuba. Joe says he might skirt north of Jamaica but should stay in the water. That's questionable at this time, but it might verify as centers usually don't like to hit Jamaica. Personally, I'd like JB's take a little more if Dennis traversed south of Jamaica than if it skirts the north coast. But I don't want to discount him or anyone else at this point because it's way too early. If held at gunpoint, I'd probably go with a Harrison or Jackson Co. landfall at this point, but since no one's got a gun to my head, I'm not making any call whatsoever.

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#2 Postby Droop12 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:56 am

Sounds like as good a call as any. I certainly wouldnt rule out what JB says, he knows his stuff. But looking at all the model trends and flip flops, the area that seems to always be in the middle of these flops is an area from Biloxi to about Pensacola. A few days ago I said I thought landfall would be from New Orleans to Applachicola. I think I may narrow that down tonight after the 12z models.
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#3 Postby TPACane04 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:57 am

Hmmm...making a landfall guess 3 days out to hit a specific COUNTY...thats pretty good!

Let's wait till tonight's (18z or 0z) models runs as we will be inside the 72 hours window and Dennis should be past Jamaica...then you can re-evaluate your guess.
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#4 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:03 am

I think it's AL/Fl landfall storm.
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#5 Postby T-man » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:05 am

I'm hoping he's not right, Entergy will be lucky to get power restored to everyone affected by Cindy in this area-we already got our storm!
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#6 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:08 am

FL Handle storm IMO...Just hope Cuba Beats the hell out of him...Bastardi dreams of that NO hit all the time...I used to love him but he has been a bit off target the past 2 years..JLast year Jeanne was 3 hrs from landfall and he still insisted north of Melbourne...Im mean please...I put much more faith in most of this board..
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#7 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:12 am

>>Hmmm...making a landfall guess 3 days out to hit a specific COUNTY...thats pretty good!

LOL. Assuming you weren't being sarcastic there, what I said was:

If held at gunpoint, I'd probably go with a Harrison or Jackson Co. landfall at this point, but since no one's got a gun to my head, I'm not making any call whatsoever.

This means that I'm not going on record with anything until Cuba comes into play. That's a bigger deal for WNW/NW moving storms coming up to the Gulf Coast. What I did for the if a gun was to my head scenario is split the difference between extreme SE LA and eastern Alabama. If you don't know which counties/parishes are which, Plaquemines Parish, LA is the toe of Louisiana (runs down to the Mouth of the Mississippi River) and Baldwin County Alabama is everything east of Mobile Bay. I right-biased it to the South Central/South Eastern Mississippi Counties. So in succession running up the coast, you have Plaquemines Parish, LA, north of that is St. Bernard Parish, LA, north of that is St. Tammany Parish, LA, east of that is Hancock County MS, Harrison County, Jackson County, Mobile County AL, Baldwin County, AL.

This does not in any way shape or form mean that I think coastal Mississippi is definitely going to get hit. It's too far out to guess not only where but what is going to be hitting. It's all speculation at this point - Joe B, Model Outputs, Amateurs and Pro Mets included.

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#8 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:54 am

I would feel confident for the people of N.O. even after the latest (10am) advisory if it weren't for JB's comments this morning. :eek:
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#9 Postby dwg71 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:57 am

JB said he was more concerned for TX than Florida with Dennis. I cant imagine what he based this statement on. So I will note what JB said and file it away with all other opinions by pro mets and use it to form my own opinion.

PCB, FL cat 2
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#10 Postby BC » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:54 am

Steve wrote: I right-biased it

Steve


:eek:

Steve with a bias to the right.. I'd never believe it if I hadn't read it on here with bote [tm] my eyes..

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#11 Postby tallbunch » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:57 am

everyone that lives in TX or LA thinks its going there. Everyone that lives in FL thinks its going to them. So, I still think its coming to South Carolina
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#12 Postby dhweather » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:58 am

THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL FORECAST!!!!!!!


Personally, I believe that the most likely area for landfall is between
Vermillion Bay, Louisiana, and Apalachacola, Florida.
This is not certain and is subject to change.

There are so many dynamics at play, it's hard to tell this far out.
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#13 Postby HurryKane » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:58 am

tallbunch wrote:everyone that lives in TX or LA thinks its going there. Everyone that lives in FL thinks its going to them. So, I still think its coming to South Carolina
:roll:


Yesterday somebody suggested Vermont for landfall. I could handle that. :)
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#14 Postby Steve H. » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:00 am

Right on Baby....Carolina here we come 8-)
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#15 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:02 am

LOL BC. But I NEVER EVER call for a hit in Louisiana unless it's pretty obvious that's what's going to happen. It's far from obvious to me. As I said in another thread last night, I spent my youth waiting for storms that always turned away and hit someone else. So the last thing I'd ever do (besides -removed-) is jinx any shot I've got at a storm. I figured in that 8 county spread, I'd go with 5 and 6 for the "gun to my head scenario." But I'd like to reiterate that I really don't have a call with this one. I would have expected the Eastern Gulf so that's where my head was at coming into the whole deal. But sometimes I just don't have a handle or take on the evolving dynamics. This is one of those times. I could see an Apalachacola to maybe Mouth of the River scenario, but I really hope our good friends in Baldwin Co. and Escambia & Santa Rosa Counties don't have to deal with this kind of situation all over again. If I could wishcast, I'd wishcast it east or west of those three areas.

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#16 Postby T-man » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:05 am

I wish it would stay a fish :P
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#17 Postby skysummit » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:07 am

tallbunch wrote:everyone that lives in TX or LA thinks its going there. Everyone that lives in FL thinks its going to them. So, I still think its coming to South Carolina
:roll:


Not me...I think it's going to Florida.
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#18 Postby Innotech » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:47 pm

I still say my area is safe and it iwll be a Cat 2 around Gulfport/MObile bay.
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