8pm TD 1

[Air Force Met]

I can't understand why the NHC called it a depression. Very broad weak circulation, absolutely no convection within 50 miles of the center (which is generally a requirement for naming). I think it'll develop, but I guess I'll never be able to understand the NHC's procedures....

Didn't suprise me at all. They fixed a vortex...it's 1003-1004 mb...it's tropical...it's winding up and will most probably develop...so you might as well call it earlier than later. After all...if you fix a vortex you have a center and that meets the text-book definition of a tropical cyclone....although it's not a text-book classic definition...the convection is organized (which is really more about "hang around" factor than anything else).

Matter of fact...I would have been more shocked if they did not upgrade with a vortex.

Now...if you want to examine mysteries...explain TS Grace from '03. Leonard Nimoy could do a brand new "In Search Of" regarding that one.

[Brent]

Grace was by far the most shocking naming I had ever seen. I was caught completely off-guard by that one.

[corpusbreeze]

I can't understand why the NHC called it a depression. Very broad weak circulation, absolutely no convection within 50 miles of the center (which is generally a requirement for naming). I think it'll develop, but I guess I'll never be able to understand the NHC's procedures....

Sometimes I think they wait way to long to name Depressions. I guess the calling of a DP is a hard business. But heck its not like they are using up a name if this thing falls apart.

[greenie88]

Help me out here. What was Grace in 2003?

[Brent]

Help me out here. What was Grace in 2003?

Basically a boundary with all the wind and rain(and the wind was pretty pathetic) to the east of this line. There was absolutely nothing circular or remotely cyclonic about it. It came ashore somewhere between Corpus Christi and Houston as barely a tropical storm(may have even been a depression).

[greenie88]

I was wondering if it was the storm several years back to the east of the lesser Antilles that the NWC initialized as a 50 mph TS (no TD phase). Satellite looked HORRIBLE on it, and sure enough if fell apart the next day. I always thought the NWC was continuing to issue advisories on it and fabricating a LLC to save face.

[corpusbreeze]

I was wondering if it was the storm several years back to the east of the lesser Antilles that the NWC initialized as a 50 mph TS (no TD phase). Satellite looked HORRIBLE on it, and sure enough if fell apart the next day. I always thought the NWC was continuing to issue advisories on it and fabricating a LLC to save face.

Sure they did . They are a government agency. But hey.. what harm was done. Its when a TD is off the coast of the USA and they say nothing and a hapless unaware person goes swimming at the beach and drowns because of a strong undertow created by the storm. Thats what ticks me off. If said victim knew a TD was formed he would have stayed home.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Remember that system I was screaming about last year that was in the Gulf of Mexioc. Around early to Mid June? They found a vortex!!!

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

19.87 N 85.06 W (19°52'27" N 85°03' 33" W)



Wind Direction (WDIR): ENE ( 70 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 23.3 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 27.2 kts
Wave Height (WVHT): 6.2 ft
Dominant Wave Period (DPD): 7 sec
Average Period (APD): 4.2 sec
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.75 in
Pressure Tendency (PTDY): +0.00 in ( Steady )
Air Temperature (ATMP): 82.0 °F
Water Temperature (WTMP): 83.5 °F
Dew Point (DEWP): 75.9 °F
Heat Index (HEAT): 89.4 °F