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#21 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:21 pm

evacuating to NO,

may get a little wind protection, but little water protection. They are evacuating from an area that is at sea level to one that is below
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#22 Postby skywarn » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:08 am

sunny wrote:I think it is Monday night, Channel 4 will do their "Eye on the Storm" special. Should be interesting. Supposed to cover all of the new evacuation procedures and maps, etc.


It will air Monday at 7:00 p.m.
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#23 Postby Radar » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:50 pm

For those of you who are following this story who would like to look up additional information I have a resource you can look into. The Biloxi newspaper the Sun Herald ran a front page article on Friday June 3rd about if the New Orleans area were devastated by a Hurricane how many refugees would be relocated to the Mississippi Gulf Coast Area. From what I read in the article the MS Gulf Coast Area will be a refugee area for thousands and thousands of Louisiana's hurricane afflicted. It was an interesting article if anyone would like to google for it and read it. This is a plan of action the government has developed and worked on for a very long time, who knew?


Here's to a safe and healthy hurricane season for everyone! Praying for some impressive Fish storms to follow!!!
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#24 Postby MGC » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:00 pm

Yea Radar, I read that article and had to chuckle. FEMA is going to build a 500,000 person trailer park in Mississippi for all the New Orleans refugees. I'm moving to South Dakota if that happens.....MGC
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#25 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:08 pm

so let me get this straight...

we are evacuating people from New Orleans where a 20 foot surge will occur, to Mississippi, where a 12-15 foot one will occur?

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#26 Postby MGC » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:12 pm

No Dereck, that is were FEMA plans to house the survivors, if there are any since New Orleans will be uninhabitable for some time after the hurricane.....MGC
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#27 Postby weatherSnoop » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:14 pm

Nice response there Derek... Dr. Death vs a Deadly plan...not only fire to the fryer pan, but add a the tornado magnet to boot! I too am most interested in further info on this plan.
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#28 Postby Brent » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:15 pm

MGC wrote:Yea Radar, I read that article and had to chuckle. FEMA is going to build a 500,000 person trailer park in Mississippi for all the New Orleans refugees. I'm moving to South Dakota if that happens.....MGC


What the heck??? :eek:

500,000??? HUNDRED THOUSAND??? Is there that much open space in MS?
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#29 Postby MGC » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:20 pm

Brent, the number may actually be higher. Considering that New Orleans and the surrounding area will be under water for a considerable amount of time. The current population of the New Orleans area is on the order of 1.2 million. Where will they all go? ....MGC
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#30 Postby Radar » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:30 pm

Well, when I read the article my first thought was "How can they do this? Mississippi doesnt have the infrastructure to support this amount of people." I mean can you imagine putting 500,000 + people into another city that has the resources for only 100,000 people? What a mess. Then my next thought was.... "Well, where else would they go." I guess when it comes down to a natural disaster you do what have to do to survive. I imagine that many New Orleans people would relocate to other areas where they would have family and wouldnt necessarily come here so the numbers may not be as large as predicted. I just hope this is a well thought out FEMA plan and not a fly by night operation. But when you think of the rebuilding of New Orleans and the surrounding Greater New Orleans area Mississippi is a prime location for people to live to commute back and forth to the city (when they can) to get the city up and running again.
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#31 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:41 pm

so where are they going to put all of the evacuees during the storm?

also, there is not going to be 500,000 survivors of New Orleans if a cat 5 strikes the delta or at NO directly
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#32 Postby HurryKane » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:43 pm

Brent wrote:
MGC wrote:Yea Radar, I read that article and had to chuckle. FEMA is going to build a 500,000 person trailer park in Mississippi for all the New Orleans refugees. I'm moving to South Dakota if that happens.....MGC


What the heck??? :eek:

500,000??? HUNDRED THOUSAND??? Is there that much open space in MS?


A good start would be the 12-mile radius buffer zone around Stennis Space Center--that's a LOT of space. However 1) no one is currently allowed to reside within that buffer zone, 2) it's wooded and 3) the residents would get a good shake to the core every time a space shuttle engine was tested.

Hancock and Pearl River Counties (on the MS/LA line) both have fairly large amounts of unpopulated land.
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#33 Postby Brent » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:50 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:so where are they going to put all of the evacuees during the storm?

also, there is not going to be 500,000 survivors of New Orleans if a cat 5 strikes the delta or at NO directly


Your right... are they referring to survivors or evacuees??? Or both??? The evacuees will not have anywhere to go after the storm...
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#34 Postby HurryKane » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:55 pm

Ok, ok, hyperbole time is over, here's the article:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/ ... 802107.htm

It states that this plan has not been approved and is just in the planning stages. Also, the number "500,000" was never used--just "tens of thousands." The plan is for long-term housing of survivors who are unable to return to New Orleans.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has identified five catastrophic events that would require a national response, Latham said. One of them is a major hurricane hitting New Orleans, which is below sea level.

If that happens, tens of thousands of people would be displaced.

"They felt it was so important that they dedicated some money to develop a plan to deal with that," Latham said. "We were actually part of that scenario, and the major issue for us is the long-term housing issue."

A FEMA spokeswoman said Thursday that no one could comment on the plan because it is in the planning stages and hasn't yet been approved.
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#35 Postby Radar » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:19 pm

Thank you Hurry for clarifying the numbers I guess it got alittle carried away didnt it. If you look at my original post I just said thousands and thousands and then somehow it turned into 500,000 and then at one point someone said we could be looking at upwards of 1.2 million. It is funny to see how innocently and easily things can be misconstrued. I guess we really wont know the whole the truth until the event actually happens (God forbid it ever does).


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#36 Postby gatorcane » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:33 pm

It's interesting that in the month of June Lousiana has had 2 major hurricane strikes since 1900, the most any state (including FL) has had.
Although the chances are very small a major hurricane will hit Lousiana in June it has the highest chances based on historical statistics :eek:
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#37 Postby HurryKane » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:38 pm

Radar wrote:Thank you Hurry for clarifying the numbers I guess it got alittle carried away didnt it. If you look at my original post I just said thousands and thousands and then somehow it turned into 500,000 and then at one point someone said we could be looking at upwards of 1.2 million. It is funny to see how innocently and easily things can be misconstrued. I guess we really wont know the whole the truth until the event actually happens (God forbid it ever does).


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No sweat. After I finally read the Sun Herald article, I had to laugh at how quickly the number grew. In fact at first I wasn't sure I had the right article since I couldn't find mention of the 5 bazillion evacuees . ;)
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#38 Postby gatorcane » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:40 pm

Storms spin through and dump heavy rain when the sun never even blinks in New Orleans. Outside the hurricane protection levee, the sea presses so close that a stiff wind can push tidal swells over roads and into houses


I would say that this article is a *bit* embellished and overdone...just by reading some of the opening sentences. I would take the opinions in this article with a grain of salt. :roll:
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#39 Postby HurryKane » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:12 am

boca_chris wrote:
Storms spin through and dump heavy rain when the sun never even blinks in New Orleans. Outside the hurricane protection levee, the sea presses so close that a stiff wind can push tidal swells over roads and into houses


I would say that this article is a *bit* embellished and overdone...just by reading some of the opening sentences. I would take the opinions in this article with a grain of salt. :roll:



And I would say...you ain't from around here, are ya.



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(sorry, Google Maps doesn't allow the image itself to be linked)
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#40 Postby Radar » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:20 am

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has identified five catastrophic events that would require a national response, Latham said. One of them is a major hurricane hitting New Orleans, which is below sea level.

Just out of curiousity can anyone take a guess at what the "other four" catastrophic events are that would require a national response? Here is my list:

1. Nuclear attack
2. Mt Rushmore Eruption
3. Weapon of Mass Destruction (small pox, anthrax, ebola, etc)
4. Massive Earthquake
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