Hate to say it, but....

[MGC]

The extropical system currently off the EC looks better on satellite than many named systems the past few seasons. Perhaps with the recent retirements at the NHC such liberal naming of questionable system will end. Looking forward to another exciting yet challenging Atlantic hurricane season......MGC

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Its a hurricane with in a cold core/extratropical system. Much like the unnamed storm of 1991. This if you looked at the overall Atmosphere at the center would be slightly warmer then the outside.

But it would almost have to move south get away totally from the extratropical system overall system. Then bomb into a a powerful tropical cyclone move right into florida. Right into the nhc for a upgrade or for them to say wow storms don't always fellow the rules. Flame away

[HurricaneBill]

Its a hurricane with in a cold core/extratropical system. Much like the unnamed storm of 1991. This if you looked at the overall Atmosphere at the center would be slightly warmer then the outside.

But it would almost have to move south get away totally from the extratropical system overall system. Then bomb into a a powerful tropical cyclone move right into florida. Right into the nhc for a upgrade or for them to say wow storms don't always fellow the rules. Flame away

Flame who? Then NHC or you?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I'm saying that I'm likely to be flamed by saying that this system may of formed a hurricane like system in its center. Kind of like the 1991 unnamed storm. Its over now its moving out of the Gulf stream.

I don't think its wrong to think that?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Still looks pretty darn good. It has lost its northeastern Quad over the last hour or so. But this still looks good.

[Scorpion]

Wow, almost an eye-like feature.

[Aslkahuna]

Actually, to me it looks like a cold core system running over warm water which would result in strong instability and convection developing under the center of vorticity but then again that's a West Coast interpretation from having seen similar structures so many times off the West Coast. If you look at the very large field of cold air cumulus wrapping into the center then you know it can't possibly be a warm core barotropic system like a hurricane.

Steve

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Remember the unnamed storm of 1991? That was a extratropical system overall with a tropical system in the center. I can tell you that the inner parts of this system are warmer then the outters.


It doe's not always mean that the system is cold core if there is those kind of clouds. There has been many a system in this area that had it.

[Derek Ortt]

not even close to a TC

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Derek ortt, you where saying for the system in mid April that it was turning tropical. In even made spacial statements? I say this was closer then that even thought of getting to becoming a cyclone. Just my .02 cents.

[senorpepr]

not even close to a TC

I concur, although it is still a respectable baroclinic system.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Yes it is extratropical but you would not think so by those visible pics.

[rainstorm]

it looks tonight like the center is separated from the main system and looks subtropical

[Aslkahuna]

Well in looking at U/A analyses, there's no way there's any warm core center in the system. It's a very strong (for the season) ET Low.

Steve

[Derek Ortt]

the April system at leats had a more classic subtropical signature with some weak convection near the core. This has a pure comma shape, nothing more than a strong ET cyclone

[HURAKAN]

REALLY GOOD LOW FOR THE SEASON, BUT NOTHING CLOSE TO TROPICAL.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

All data shows this was a extratropical nor'easter. This has got to be some kind of record for power for May. I would of thought with all that convection would of heated the Atmosphere under it. Remember heat releases from convection. Darn I wish I could spell but I'm limited to looking like a idiot.