OrlandoDad wrote:I voted for Jeanne. Loss of human life is the most important factor for me.
Good argument, I didn't think about that.
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HurricaneBill
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Overall, all 4 storms had the potential to be storm of the year.
Charley was a nightmarish scenario for meteorologists. Kind of a hurricane Lili in reverse. Charley also ended the nearly 5-year drought of major landfalls on the U.S.
I'd rank Charley along with Donna and Hugo.
Yes, Frances fell apart before landfall, but so have many other storms. But what Frances lacked in wind, she made up for in rain and tornadoes. Frances was also a slow mover and a large storm.
I'd rank Frances along with Beulah and Georges.
Ivan reminded me of Hurricane Allen in many ways. Hitting Category 5 on 3 occasions, avoiding landfalls until the end, kind of falling apart prior to landfall, massive hurricane. Also hitting the U.S. as a Category 3 hurricane.
I'd rank Ivan up with Allen and Gilbert.
Jeanne was the "comeback kid" in the group. When her LLC was escaping the convection off the coast of Haiti, I think lots of people were saying "Bye-bye Jeanne".
However, Jeanne formed a new LLC and did a loop coming back towards Florida. For some reason, I was thinking Jeanne would fall apart before reaching Florida. I was thinking dry air would get to her or shear would. So I was surprised that she was a Category 3 at landfall.
Jeanne was the first major hurricane to hit the east coast of Florida since Hurricane Andrew in 1992.
Jeanne's loop reminded me of Betsy.
I'd rank Jeanne with Betsy and Frederic.
Charley was a nightmarish scenario for meteorologists. Kind of a hurricane Lili in reverse. Charley also ended the nearly 5-year drought of major landfalls on the U.S.
I'd rank Charley along with Donna and Hugo.
Yes, Frances fell apart before landfall, but so have many other storms. But what Frances lacked in wind, she made up for in rain and tornadoes. Frances was also a slow mover and a large storm.
I'd rank Frances along with Beulah and Georges.
Ivan reminded me of Hurricane Allen in many ways. Hitting Category 5 on 3 occasions, avoiding landfalls until the end, kind of falling apart prior to landfall, massive hurricane. Also hitting the U.S. as a Category 3 hurricane.
I'd rank Ivan up with Allen and Gilbert.
Jeanne was the "comeback kid" in the group. When her LLC was escaping the convection off the coast of Haiti, I think lots of people were saying "Bye-bye Jeanne".
However, Jeanne formed a new LLC and did a loop coming back towards Florida. For some reason, I was thinking Jeanne would fall apart before reaching Florida. I was thinking dry air would get to her or shear would. So I was surprised that she was a Category 3 at landfall.
Jeanne was the first major hurricane to hit the east coast of Florida since Hurricane Andrew in 1992.
Jeanne's loop reminded me of Betsy.
I'd rank Jeanne with Betsy and Frederic.
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SouthernWx
I have to cast my vote for Ivan....
When I look back at the 2004 season in twenty years, the first hurricane I'll think of will be Ivan. Overall, it was one of the most unusual and intense hurricanes I've ever witnessed or studied. To reach such extreme intensity in an area where hurricanes simply DON'T (central Caribbean) was one of the most incredible events I've ever witnessed....to maintain such extreme intensity for many days, and the extreme storm surge destruction it caused in the Pensacola-Gulf Shores area...IMO the most destructive hurricane along the northern Gulf coast since Camille. According to some, Ivan "fell apart" prior to landfall, but the wind damage is at least as bad as I witnessed firsthand during/ after Frederic, and the storm surge even worse....and I imagine most folks in the path would agree it was one helluva hurricane to experience and survive.
Will the other hurricanes listed be memorable to me? You betcha.....Jeanne for becoming the first major hurricane to strike the Florida east coast north of Miami in my lifetime....the extreme loss of life in Haiti.
The unusual path back toward Florida after looping...plus the fact U.S. landfall occurred at the same location and exactly three weeks later than Frances.
Charley because of the rapidity with which it deepened prior to landfall....the extreme damage in SW Florida, the 105 mph gusts in Orlando (highest of record), and the unusual, almost incredible path taken by such an intense hurricane before mid-August (also the earliest in the season major hurricane to ever strike the Florida peninsula; the most intense landfalling hurricane along the Florida west coast since before 1850).
Frances is unusual and memorable for what it didn't do. There's never been such an intense hurricane in the prime of hurricane season to impact the Bahamas enroute to southern Florida and fail to make landfall there as a major hurricane. Look at past cat-4/5 hurricanes approaching the Bahamas from the east/ ESE that made landfall in Florida: Donna, Andrew, the 1926, 1928, and 1947 monster hurricanes...all slammed Florida as cat-4's (and Andrew a cat-5).
But after looking at all of them...comparing notes and the images I have of each, Ivan gets my vote....the most memorable hurricane of a most memorable Atlantic hurricane season (and it isn't quite over with yet).
PW
When I look back at the 2004 season in twenty years, the first hurricane I'll think of will be Ivan. Overall, it was one of the most unusual and intense hurricanes I've ever witnessed or studied. To reach such extreme intensity in an area where hurricanes simply DON'T (central Caribbean) was one of the most incredible events I've ever witnessed....to maintain such extreme intensity for many days, and the extreme storm surge destruction it caused in the Pensacola-Gulf Shores area...IMO the most destructive hurricane along the northern Gulf coast since Camille. According to some, Ivan "fell apart" prior to landfall, but the wind damage is at least as bad as I witnessed firsthand during/ after Frederic, and the storm surge even worse....and I imagine most folks in the path would agree it was one helluva hurricane to experience and survive.
Will the other hurricanes listed be memorable to me? You betcha.....Jeanne for becoming the first major hurricane to strike the Florida east coast north of Miami in my lifetime....the extreme loss of life in Haiti.
The unusual path back toward Florida after looping...plus the fact U.S. landfall occurred at the same location and exactly three weeks later than Frances.
Charley because of the rapidity with which it deepened prior to landfall....the extreme damage in SW Florida, the 105 mph gusts in Orlando (highest of record), and the unusual, almost incredible path taken by such an intense hurricane before mid-August (also the earliest in the season major hurricane to ever strike the Florida peninsula; the most intense landfalling hurricane along the Florida west coast since before 1850).
Frances is unusual and memorable for what it didn't do. There's never been such an intense hurricane in the prime of hurricane season to impact the Bahamas enroute to southern Florida and fail to make landfall there as a major hurricane. Look at past cat-4/5 hurricanes approaching the Bahamas from the east/ ESE that made landfall in Florida: Donna, Andrew, the 1926, 1928, and 1947 monster hurricanes...all slammed Florida as cat-4's (and Andrew a cat-5).
But after looking at all of them...comparing notes and the images I have of each, Ivan gets my vote....the most memorable hurricane of a most memorable Atlantic hurricane season (and it isn't quite over with yet).
PW
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US Landfaller: Mean little buzzsaw Charley. I deal with his wreckage daily 7 weeks later. Leveled masonry and steel-framed buildings with winds alone. Was category 2 over Orlando! Required massive power infrastructure rebuild...
Overall 2004 storm:
Hands down Ivan. Category 5 performance and lifespan. Historic Grenada life-taker and home-wrecker. Cayman destroyer. Even in a weakened state killed people on Pensacola barrier Islands and created a surge that took an interstate out of service...
Overall 2004 storm:
Hands down Ivan. Category 5 performance and lifespan. Historic Grenada life-taker and home-wrecker. Cayman destroyer. Even in a weakened state killed people on Pensacola barrier Islands and created a surge that took an interstate out of service...
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It was more than DOUBLE the size of Charley-so the damage was more widespread along the coast. The storm surge was that of a Category 5 and the wind damage was horrible. NEVER in my life seen so many roofs gone. I don't think it weakened that much at landfall. So many structures destroyed by the wind. Ivan pounded us well before they downgraded it from 135mph CAT 4 to a 130mph CAT 3. Really don't see much of a difference there! Ivan The Terrible has changed this area-that's for sure.
Charley would be second followed by Jeanne.
It was more than DOUBLE the size of Charley-so the damage was more widespread along the coast. The storm surge was that of a Category 5 and the wind damage was horrible. NEVER in my life seen so many roofs gone. I don't think it weakened that much at landfall. So many structures destroyed by the wind. Ivan pounded us well before they downgraded it from 135mph CAT 4 to a 130mph CAT 3. Really don't see much of a difference there! Ivan The Terrible has changed this area-that's for sure.
Charley would be second followed by Jeanne.
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Derek Ortt
Ranking atl storms in order
1. Charley: near 5 at US landfall, cat 3 in Cuba, also brought wind to Windwards, Caymans, Jamaica, and cat 1 in Carolina
2. Ivan: Trail of disaster. Had it not have weakened before us landfall (or have not weakened, then re-intensified before grenada or hit jamaica, or cuba farther east) would have been #1
3. Frances: Worst storm ever for the bahamas in that it affected nearly the entire island chain as a 4 or a 3 and the NW sector as a strong 2. also caused about 8 billion in damage for the usa
4. Jeanne: The death toll in Haiti is not anything special, a weak STD killed even more in May. No vegatation means mudslides and a slow moving summer T storm could kill many. is of note for being a major in the NW Bahamas and Florida
5. Gaston: Devastated Richmond, enough said
6. Alex: Near disaster after lack of evac on Hatteras. 10 more mile north brings the worst of the wind and surge over hat, probably resulting in a large loss of life
7. Bonnie: 23 tornadoes. also brought out a unique ituation where a continuous stretch of florida coastline was under a hurricane warning for two different storms, but no break between the hurricane warning areas.
8. Matthew: some flooding to new orleans and surrounding areas
9. Earl: TS winds to the Windwards
10. Hermine: pitiful, just pitiful. Thats 2 in a row now of weak, TS landfalls with no effects inland.
11. Karl: Cat 4, but out to sea
12. Nicole: STS, but did hit land as extra-tropical
13. Danielle: Nice storm, but E atl
14. Lisa: good cane, fishy though
1. Charley: near 5 at US landfall, cat 3 in Cuba, also brought wind to Windwards, Caymans, Jamaica, and cat 1 in Carolina
2. Ivan: Trail of disaster. Had it not have weakened before us landfall (or have not weakened, then re-intensified before grenada or hit jamaica, or cuba farther east) would have been #1
3. Frances: Worst storm ever for the bahamas in that it affected nearly the entire island chain as a 4 or a 3 and the NW sector as a strong 2. also caused about 8 billion in damage for the usa
4. Jeanne: The death toll in Haiti is not anything special, a weak STD killed even more in May. No vegatation means mudslides and a slow moving summer T storm could kill many. is of note for being a major in the NW Bahamas and Florida
5. Gaston: Devastated Richmond, enough said
6. Alex: Near disaster after lack of evac on Hatteras. 10 more mile north brings the worst of the wind and surge over hat, probably resulting in a large loss of life
7. Bonnie: 23 tornadoes. also brought out a unique ituation where a continuous stretch of florida coastline was under a hurricane warning for two different storms, but no break between the hurricane warning areas.
8. Matthew: some flooding to new orleans and surrounding areas
9. Earl: TS winds to the Windwards
10. Hermine: pitiful, just pitiful. Thats 2 in a row now of weak, TS landfalls with no effects inland.
11. Karl: Cat 4, but out to sea
12. Nicole: STS, but did hit land as extra-tropical
13. Danielle: Nice storm, but E atl
14. Lisa: good cane, fishy though
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3. Frances: Worst storm ever for the bahamas in that it affected nearly the entire island chain as a 4 or a 3 and the NW sector as a strong 2. also caused about 8 billion in damage for the usa
Frances also produced the largest number of tornadoes (117) surpassing Beulah's 115 ... including producing the largest outbreak for South Carolina in its history (47 confirmed) ...
5. Gaston: Devastated Richmond, enough said
Absolutely ... Gaston was very impressive in South Carolina as well, especially around the eyewall on the W/NW flank which produced 10-13" of rain in Berkeley, and Williamsburg Counties ... along with unofficial wind reports of 70 mph, even 50-60 miles inland ... locations within the path were without power for over a week ... Gaston was the strongest "tropical storm" without ever becoming a hurricane that I've experienced ...
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HurricaneBill wrote:Didn't someone say there was data that showed that Gaston was a hurricane at landfall?
Wasn't me ... someone else I think might have posted something on it ... but I was unable to find any sustained SFC winds of 74 mph or greater at any location, however, radar velocities might suggest otherwise ... there were plenty of PK wind gusts over hurricane force, and several of those were over 80 MPH ... Isle of Palms, Mt. Pleasant ... and Gaston DID develop a visible eye on satellite imagery around landfall/just after landfall ... very close call ... IMHO, using satellite classifications ONLY (and the visible eye on satellite), Gaston would have been called a hurricane ...
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according to the best track (from an atcf file). It seems as if Ivan's best track has also been completed and its a weak to moderate cat 3 based upon the way I've interpreted it, which is quite consistent with the data from recon, higher than h-wind though.
note: these are subject to revisions and the final versions are in the tropical cyclone reports
note: these are subject to revisions and the final versions are in the tropical cyclone reports
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Derek Ortt wrote:gaston has been lowered to a 50KT TS at landfall according to best track
I find that very hard to believe, Derek ... not doubting you, just seems a little odd with Gaston's organization and developing a clear cut eye on satellite imagery around landfall, and beyond ... and based on observed damage, and actual observed wind speeds suggesting otherwise ... maybe, not a hurricane, but a clear cut high end tropical storm ...
I have had a chance to study a lot of datasets from the CHS WFO and watched a lot of video archives from the media outlets and this just wasn't a 50 kt tropical storm .. no way ...
SF
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