My thoughts on Ivan
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My thoughts on Ivan
Im pretty sure they will be critism for the evacuation of New Orleans. IMO I would rather evacuate for near miss than stay for a head on hit.
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It definitely wasn't handled correctly. (was fun to watch Bob Breck chew out the mayor on live TV, wasn't it?) It worries me that since we've had a few near misses in the past few years, that next time, residents will choose to say instead of getting stuck in that gridlock for eternity. The next time, it may not be a miss.
Of course, in the whole scheme of things, the gridlock of N.O. evacuation plans is small stuff compared to what has happened in Gulf Shores. We should just all be thankful that we were spared Ivan.
Of course, in the whole scheme of things, the gridlock of N.O. evacuation plans is small stuff compared to what has happened in Gulf Shores. We should just all be thankful that we were spared Ivan.
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HollynLA wrote:It definitely wasn't handles correctly. (was fun to watch Bob Breck chew out the mayor on live TV, wasn't it?) It worries me that since we've had a few near misses in the past few years, that next time, residents will choose to say instead of getting stuck in that gridlock for eternity. The next time, it may not be a miss.
Of course, in the whole scheme of things, the gridlock of N.O. evacuation plans is small stuff compared to what has happened in Gulf Shores. We should just all be thankful that we were spared Ivan.
What did Bob Breck chew out the mayor for? Yes I aree with you.
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dennis1x1
hard to see it handled any other way really.....could have possibly waited another 12 hours or so but you still wouldve had a hurricane moving nw and counting on a turn.....
unfortunately for new orleans, evacuations will have to be ordered for any major hurricane projected to hit +/- 100 miles
what did mediamet bob chew him out about anyway?
unfortunately for new orleans, evacuations will have to be ordered for any major hurricane projected to hit +/- 100 miles
what did mediamet bob chew him out about anyway?
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Because they didn't open the interstate contraflow (opening both sides the interstate up evacuees) until almost 8 hours after they called for evacuation. Bob Breck had the traffic cam up live and for hours and hours, the cars were not moving an inch. He pointed out a truck that was in the same spot as before. The emergency management crew should have had that ready to go *before* they called for the public to evacuate and it would have avoided the whole disaster. So, B.Breck said, Mr. Mayor, the public is listening and heading the warnings, but yet they can't get out, now fix this. Bob was very edgy and voiced his opinions strongly.
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There are compelling arguments. Breck busted up on Governor Blanco too. Ivan was a web storm for me, so I've only got limited input from seeing Breck talking to Snell blasting Gov. Blanco.
Breck side: People get so pissed off that it takes them 7 hours to get 100 miles. Next storm, more of them will opt out of leaving town. We need to meet with everyone because this was horrible. In the future, lives will be needlessly lost in catastrophic flooding. He thinks Blanco needs a sit down because she was talking about how well everything went and he saw it as terrible.
Blanco side: They pretty much got everyone out in 24 hours that they've always talked about needing 72 for.
Mitigating factors:
1) Evacuees from other states - Many people were coming from the east in advance of the storm. The Hurricane Center's track nudged from S FL up and over.
2) Rumor(?) that the state police waited too long to turn the interstates into Contra/outgoing lanes. (Don't know if this is true or not because I stayed).
3) The State got lucky anyway. They need to realize that not all hurricanes that could potentially affect Louisiana are only concerns of Louisianians. Those in low lying areas of LA/MS/AL and FL, when told to get out, don't really have any other choices.
I don't know what the solutions are except to maybe build more highways. A secondary way out of the city (between the Twin Span and Causeway maybe?) might ease congestion. They could also double or triple up the Twin Span.
Who knows?
Steve
Breck side: People get so pissed off that it takes them 7 hours to get 100 miles. Next storm, more of them will opt out of leaving town. We need to meet with everyone because this was horrible. In the future, lives will be needlessly lost in catastrophic flooding. He thinks Blanco needs a sit down because she was talking about how well everything went and he saw it as terrible.
Blanco side: They pretty much got everyone out in 24 hours that they've always talked about needing 72 for.
Mitigating factors:
1) Evacuees from other states - Many people were coming from the east in advance of the storm. The Hurricane Center's track nudged from S FL up and over.
2) Rumor(?) that the state police waited too long to turn the interstates into Contra/outgoing lanes. (Don't know if this is true or not because I stayed).
3) The State got lucky anyway. They need to realize that not all hurricanes that could potentially affect Louisiana are only concerns of Louisianians. Those in low lying areas of LA/MS/AL and FL, when told to get out, don't really have any other choices.
I don't know what the solutions are except to maybe build more highways. A secondary way out of the city (between the Twin Span and Causeway maybe?) might ease congestion. They could also double or triple up the Twin Span.
Who knows?
Steve
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HollynLA wrote:Because they didn't open the interstate contraflow (opening both sides the interstate up evacuees) until almost 8 hours after they called for evacuation. Bob Breck had the traffic cam up live and for hours and hours, the cars were not moving an inch. He pointed out a truck that was in the same spot as before. The emergency management crew should have had that ready to go *before* they called for the public to evacuate and it would have avoided the whole disaster. So, B.Breck said, Mr. Mayor, the public is listening and heading the warnings, but yet they can't get out, now fix this. Bob was very edgy and voiced his opinions strongly.
Whoa!! I'm sure just like Georges, lessons will be learned from Ivan.
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The contraflow was an absolute joke.
The contraflow, are whatever else you want to call it, did not work. If they are going to do a contraflow, they need to do it where the traffic can get passed just 25 miles. It was only in effect for about 25 miles at MOST! All it did was 1) compound the problem, by diverting more traffic north on to I-12, via I-55 and 2) pissing off more people than necessary. The correct thing to do, is to divert all traffic coming west on I-12, north on to I-55, then blocking off I-55 north between I-10 and I-12. This would not allow all the traffic coming from Mississippi eastward, to converge with the traffic coming from New Orleans in Baton Rouge where I-10 and I-12 merge, trying to go west. Contraflow the I-10 all the way through Baton Rouge and Lafayette, past I-49. Bingo!
The bottom line was. The State Police head honchos need to get their heads out their behinds, and get down to business in resolving the traffic nightmare.
The State Police grunts, were basically no where to be found, IMO. I blame that squarely on their superiors in Baton Rouge, for not getting/having their sH!% together.
Oh...and don't BS the public during a press conference, with all the political backslaps and high five junk, about how effective things were and blah...blah, and people are sitting in traffic for 10+ hours. Aaron Broussard, Blanco and some other politicos, made me want to puke, while I was listening on the radio, sitting in traffic.
Next time. There will not be a next time for me. I am staying put and taken my chances. It's not worth the aggravation, trust me.
The contraflow, are whatever else you want to call it, did not work. If they are going to do a contraflow, they need to do it where the traffic can get passed just 25 miles. It was only in effect for about 25 miles at MOST! All it did was 1) compound the problem, by diverting more traffic north on to I-12, via I-55 and 2) pissing off more people than necessary. The correct thing to do, is to divert all traffic coming west on I-12, north on to I-55, then blocking off I-55 north between I-10 and I-12. This would not allow all the traffic coming from Mississippi eastward, to converge with the traffic coming from New Orleans in Baton Rouge where I-10 and I-12 merge, trying to go west. Contraflow the I-10 all the way through Baton Rouge and Lafayette, past I-49. Bingo!
The bottom line was. The State Police head honchos need to get their heads out their behinds, and get down to business in resolving the traffic nightmare.
The State Police grunts, were basically no where to be found, IMO. I blame that squarely on their superiors in Baton Rouge, for not getting/having their sH!% together.
Oh...and don't BS the public during a press conference, with all the political backslaps and high five junk, about how effective things were and blah...blah, and people are sitting in traffic for 10+ hours. Aaron Broussard, Blanco and some other politicos, made me want to puke, while I was listening on the radio, sitting in traffic.
Next time. There will not be a next time for me. I am staying put and taken my chances. It's not worth the aggravation, trust me.
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Big EZ wrote:Next time. There will not be a next time for me. I am staying put and taken my chances. It's not worth the aggravation, trust me.
There may have been problems and you may have to make better plans both personally and as a city and state, but to try and stay for a storm of this magnitude....
I hope when you have a chance to reflect you will rethink this post.
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Exactly. I evacuated this time and will do it again. I will not risk my life staying in this area for a storm of Ivan's magnitude.
Aggravation and death are two entirely different things, and I would rather take a few hours of aggravation than an eternity of death.
My life is too precious for that.
And yours is too.
Aggravation and death are two entirely different things, and I would rather take a few hours of aggravation than an eternity of death.
My life is too precious for that.
And yours is too.
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Big EZ wrote:No I will not. Not until I see come competent, well laid out plans from the public officials. It's a farce, the way they have things set up currently. You don't know until you have experienced it, not once, but TWICE! Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times....NOT!
I would evacuate from a near miss than stay for a direct hit. You got to realize that evacuating is not going to be a pleasure cruise.
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Steve wrote:There are compelling arguments. Breck busted up on Governor Blanco too. Ivan was a web storm for me, so I've only got limited input from seeing Breck talking to Snell blasting Gov. Blanco.
Breck side: People get so pissed off that it takes them 7 hours to get 100 miles. Next storm, more of them will opt out of leaving town. We need to meet with everyone because this was horrible. In the future, lives will be needlessly lost in catastrophic flooding. He thinks Blanco needs a sit down because she was talking about how well everything went and he saw it as terrible.
Blanco side: They pretty much got everyone out in 24 hours that they've always talked about needing 72 for.
Mitigating factors:
1) Evacuees from other states - Many people were coming from the east in advance of the storm. The Hurricane Center's track nudged from S FL up and over.
2) Rumor(?) that the state police waited too long to turn the interstates into Contra/outgoing lanes. (Don't know if this is true or not because I stayed).
3) The State got lucky anyway. They need to realize that not all hurricanes that could potentially affect Louisiana are only concerns of Louisianians. Those in low lying areas of LA/MS/AL and FL, when told to get out, don't really have any other choices.
I don't know what the solutions are except to maybe build more highways. A secondary way out of the city (between the Twin Span and Causeway maybe?) might ease congestion. They could also double or triple up the Twin Span.
Who knows?
Steve
They should promote secondary and alternate routes.
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Blanco side: They pretty much got everyone out in 24 hours that they've always talked about needing 72 for.
Blanco was absolutely wrong in saying that. Many did not evacuate since it wasn't really directly pointed at us. If it was, a few hundred thousand more would have evacuated also and it would never happen in 24 hours.
Rumor(?) that the state police waited too long to turn the interstates into Contra/outgoing lanes. (Don't know if this is true or not because I stayed).
Oh believe me, it's true. I have some friends who live by interstate 55, and they closed it to southbound traffic early Monday night and didn't open it for contraflow traffic until about 3:30 pm on Tuesday.
did the mayor during the famous press conference announce the interstate schedules?
No, the mayor came on live TV and said to evacuate NOW, even though the contraflow didn't open for many hours afterwards. It was a complete mess,.
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You have to figure that for political reasons they won't order an evacuation for NOLA until it's ALREADY too late for everyone to get out.
Wake up in the morning when a major storm may be headed your way. If you are in the cone and it will be within 72 hours of landfall during the daylight hours that day, get out.
The reason why the traffic jams are there is because everyone thinks they can leave 24-48 hours before landfall and breeze their way out of town. Isn't going to happen. Don't wait for the evacuation order, just go.
As far as those who don't have personal transportation is concerned, it should be an imperative requirement that adequate mass transit out of danger can be provided for all citizens of a city. Why anyone would ask less of a government when the possibility of a catastrophe could occur is beyond me. Good government does not abandon the disadvantaged in times of dire need.
Wake up in the morning when a major storm may be headed your way. If you are in the cone and it will be within 72 hours of landfall during the daylight hours that day, get out.
The reason why the traffic jams are there is because everyone thinks they can leave 24-48 hours before landfall and breeze their way out of town. Isn't going to happen. Don't wait for the evacuation order, just go.
As far as those who don't have personal transportation is concerned, it should be an imperative requirement that adequate mass transit out of danger can be provided for all citizens of a city. Why anyone would ask less of a government when the possibility of a catastrophe could occur is beyond me. Good government does not abandon the disadvantaged in times of dire need.
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I think they will have problems getting people to go next time.this is the 3rd time they made everyone leave,& nothing happened(Georges 1998,Lilly 2002,& Ivan 2004).They will have to do a better job with the contraflo or somthing.Someone said all the way to Lafayette.they need more than just on the 12 mile,& I-55 to Hammond.I live in Laplace,& at the gas station off of I-10 they had people saying it took them 4 hrs to get fron New orleans to Laplace.Now thats a joke.
And it was not just the interstate,Airline Hwy was congested,& river road also(at least in Laplace)
Bottom line,I just hope they get some better traffic plans next time,because I talked to a bunch of people that evacuated,that said they were not gonna even try next time.
And it was not just the interstate,Airline Hwy was congested,& river road also(at least in Laplace)
Bottom line,I just hope they get some better traffic plans next time,because I talked to a bunch of people that evacuated,that said they were not gonna even try next time.
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I have now seen several evacuations up I-95 here in florida. First for Floyd then for Frances. I can tell you this much. When it comes to evacuating millions of people you are going to have a mess. If you wish to avoid this mess you need to make your own evacuation routes, and you have to bite the bullet and evacuate early. There is no way any interstate system can sustain the mass flow of an evacuation of these sizes. Even if you turn all lanes in one direction. The size roads you would need would be impossible for the tax payer base to maintian on a routine basis. Simply put that is reality, and that is who pays for the roads. The local governments are just doing the best with what they got.
In the case of N.O. I belive that the mayor made the right decision. I would rather as a mayor be blamed for needlessly evacuating my city and seeing thousands of people return safely than 2 days after the storm seeing the thousands of bodies stacked up. I believe the FEMA worst case scenario is between 10,000 and 100,000 dead for a cat 4 or 5 direct hit. Would be hard to live with that haunting me every day for the rest of my life.
In the case of N.O. I belive that the mayor made the right decision. I would rather as a mayor be blamed for needlessly evacuating my city and seeing thousands of people return safely than 2 days after the storm seeing the thousands of bodies stacked up. I believe the FEMA worst case scenario is between 10,000 and 100,000 dead for a cat 4 or 5 direct hit. Would be hard to live with that haunting me every day for the rest of my life.
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