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I don't get it.

#1 Postby B-Bear » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:13 pm

Rige building to Ivan's north. Increase in forward speed.

Would somebody please explain to me why this wouldn't take Ivan further west instead of further east?
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#2 Postby Seele » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Bump, because I would like to know this as well. Everything I've heard tonight would seem to be bad news for points further west and yet the track is still towards Mobile and some people in LA are breathing easier. Would this ridge hold Ivan on a NNW track and wouldn't the faster movement than expected give Ivan less time to move due north? What did I miss?
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#3 Postby Nexus » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:30 pm

I'd like to know as well. It was stair stepping earlier (juking due north from time to time), but now seems to really just want to head NW. Doesn't the speed have something to do with this?
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#4 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:30 pm

I am wondering the same thing. Our local met in SE LA said it was great news. His explanation was the disturbance over E. Texas that is moving NE will begin to pull Ivan that way tomorrow. Any thoughts of this playing out from someone more knowledgeable. Agree/Disagree. By hte way everything I read earlier tonight talked about High pressure building north of Ivan, what happened?
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#5 Postby MysticOne » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:30 pm

bump.. because I too am curious
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#6 Postby Mello1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:33 pm

Seele wrote:Bump, because I would like to know this as well. Everything I've heard tonight would seem to be bad news for points further west and yet the track is still towards Mobile and some people in LA are breathing easier. Would this ridge hold Ivan on a NNW track and wouldn't the faster movement than expected give Ivan less time to move due north? What did I miss?


They are probably not taking this information into account as of yet. From what I've seen, the official NHC track has consistantly been east of the other models until lately. I dunno, perhaps they see the ridge breaking down???
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#7 Postby B-Bear » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:34 pm

But how is it going to break down when landfall is 24 hrs away, or less now that forward speed has picked up, and the trough is not even yet it place to begin eroding the high???
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#8 Postby dennis1x1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:36 pm

the dominant high is to the east of the storm....so, per nhc discussion just a few minutes ago (i guarantee they are taking everything into consideration yet) the path of the storm (least resistance) is around this high..
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#9 Postby Guest » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:36 pm

the last IR showed a wobble to the NW.
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#10 Postby Mello1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:37 pm

B-Bear wrote:But how is it going to break down when landfall is 24 hrs away, or less now that forward speed has picked up, and the trough is not even yet it place to begin eroding the high???


Certainly not my area or expertise; it has taken me forever just to get this down, but my understanding is that the ridge to the north is strong, allowing Ivan to steer NW. Add to it the increase in speed, and the turn may not happen in time. Add to it the warm waters it is going over and you have some intensification.

Where is Derek when you need him????
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#11 Postby B-Bear » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:37 pm

I thought the high was to the north now, not to the west.
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#12 Postby Mello1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:39 pm

dennis1x1 wrote:the dominant high is to the west of the storm....so, per nhc discussion just a few minutes ago (i guarantee they are taking everything into consideration yet) the path of the storm (least resistance) is around this high..


Dennis, I'm not sure what that means. Dominant high west (or is it NW??) of storm is going to turn it east? Is that what you mean?
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#13 Postby dennis1x1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:42 pm

sorryy...typo.....it is east
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#14 Postby B-Bear » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:43 pm

Yeah, so doesn't that keep the storm moving more west?
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#15 Postby Mello1 » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:44 pm

dennis1x1 wrote:sorryy...typo.....it is east


I read someone else say north and east. Perhaps they think the north ridge will breakdown...

Confused. Anyway, I wish the best for those in the general vicinity of this storm...
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#16 Postby cswitwer » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:46 pm

bump
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#17 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:47 pm

Mello1 wrote:
dennis1x1 wrote:the dominant high is to the west of the storm....so, per nhc discussion just a few minutes ago (i guarantee they are taking everything into consideration yet) the path of the storm (least resistance) is around this high..


Dennis, I'm not sure what that means. Dominant high west (or is it NW??) of storm is going to turn it east? Is that what you mean?


I'm sure the NHC has taken into account the High and the upper level disturbance coming it from the west into account when the put there forecast track out at 10pm tonight.
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#18 Postby Javlin » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:48 pm

Yes Bear I would think so and a strong ridge at that increase in forward speed usually means stronger ridge.I am thinking and have been for awhile Slidell maybe Bay St. Louis area.
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