Eclipse over, WNW movement resumed.

[calidoug]

I defined the time period and noted the motion over that period.

Whether that is a jog, or something more, is a different question.

[calidoug]

That was quite an edit. Okay then, goodnight.

[WeatherNLU]

I defined the time period and noted the motion over that period.

Whether that is a jog, or something more, is a different question.

Fair enough, that's enough fun for one night for me. Good night to all and to all in Jamaica as good a night as possible.

[Lockhart]

Interesting argument shift. When it was pointed out that Northerly movement has begun again, people attacked. When it turns out that comment was correct, suddenly the issue is no longer whether there is Northerly movement but rather that the movement hasn't been going on for hours and hours.

Well, of *course* it hasn't. That was the whole point of titling the thread "WNW movement *resumed*", I bet.

[WeatherNLU]

WeatherNLU, you make a common mistake:

Compare 0715Z to 0345Z.

We now have 3:30 of WNW movement.

OK, not going to bed. What would my common mistake be?

Several points:

1) Like I said, 3 hours, nor 3 1/2 hours is a good period of time in which to try define a motion.

2) Even the motion that Ivan has taken between 0345 and 0715 is hardly a true WNW (292) and is no where near the nearing NW (300-305) motion that the storm had earlier in the day.

3) Just out of curiosity, do you have a atmospheric science degree?

[WeatherNLU]

That was quite an edit. Okay then, goodnight.

It was quite and edit, because I had not seen your last response. Is that alright with you?

[calidoug]

Your objection was that 30 minutes was not sufficient.

Please decide on an argument.

Regarding an atmospheric science degree, I was unaware that was a prerequisite for both vision and common sense.

[NorthGaWeather]

Ok lets see if I got this right

NHC site and IR loop....check
Slow it down.....check
positions my mouse on the very cneter of the eye at 0345z......check
Compare the eye positions....check

Voila....

Well after much close observation it would appear the eye has contracted and if there has been a north motion...which is as clearly seen as Pluto...its close to a tenth of a degree.

Seriously if you can't see the west motion for the past 6 hrs you need your eyes checked. Now I must say that was one of the worst attempts at an insult, joke whatever it was, that I've ever seen.

[BayouVenteux]

At this moment this line of "is it WNW or W?" quibbling is in the realm of "how many angels can one fit on the head of a pin?" arguing. The fact is that most of us here couldn't have foreseen 12 hours ago that this storm would parallel the southern coast of the island in the uncanny way it has thus far. Barring a sudden move to the NW, Ivan's eye will likely roll south of Negril and on toward the Caymans...with this leftward jog possibly having huge implications for Georgetown, Grand Cayman.

[WeatherNLU]

Your objection was that 30 minutes was not sufficient.

Please decide on an argument.

Regarding an atmospheric science degree, I was unaware that was a prerequisite for both vision and common sense.

OK, you obviously aren't understanding me.

There is no agrument, but naturally you are trying to make this one.

Let me try to sum this up in a manner in which you might understand:

I have no quarrel with you over the fact that the storm made A MOVEMENT of SOME SORT back to the north EVER SO SLIGHTY. I was unaware of the fact that you making a general statement about the storm having some northward component. When you title the post WNW motion resumed, I thought and judging by your comments that you were trying to state that Ivan is back on the same course as earlier in the day. My misunderstanding. I've tried through this entire exchange to be civil, and yet you seem not to care. That's cool, no problem.

P.S. The atmospheric science degree is not a pre-req for anything, it was simply another question in which you have proven that you can't help but be sarchastic in your response.

[WeatherNLU]

At this moment this line of "is it WNW or W?" quibbling is in the realm of "how many angels can one fit on the head of a pin?" arguing. The fact is that most of us here couldn't have foreseen 12 hours ago that this storm would parallel the southern coast of the island in the uncanny way it has thus far. Barring a sudden move to the NW, Ivan's eye will likely roll south of Negril and on toward the Caymans...with this leftward jog possibly having huge implications for Georgetown, Grand Cayman.

Nicely said. I to am worried about the Caymans. My sister-in-law has relatives with a beach front house there. Not good.

[calidoug]

NorthGa, unless your display is broken, it's more like 20 degrees north of due west.

Try again.

Hint: there are 360 degrees in a full circle.

[calidoug]

Weather, there's no reason for the personal attacks. I think you may need some rest.

I did not imply the motion was the same as earlier today.

I said, WNW motion resumes.

As opposed to W.

p.s. "sarcastic" "argument"

[NorthGaWeather]

NorthGa, unless your display is broken, it's more like 20 degrees north of due west.

Try again.

Hint: there are 360 degrees in a full circle.

Were you unaware that there are tenths of a degree in latitude or did you not make it past the 8th grade.

[NorthGaWeather]

0715z image is due west of the 0645z image.

[calidoug]

We're talking about heading, not coordinates.

[WeatherNLU]

Weather, there's no reason for the personal attacks. I think you may need some rest.

I did not imply the motion was the same as earlier today.

I said, WNW motion resumes.

As opposed to W.

p.s. "sarcastic" "argument"

Oh my.........

Personal attacks?

This is like talking to my wife.

Anyway, I apologized twice and I do again for the misunderstanding and the "personal attacks".

I am out of here.

[calidoug]

NorthGa, time for contacts.

[calidoug]

For real this time?

[NorthGaWeather]

Ahhhhh.

If it doesn't move north in latitude how can it be on a 290 heading?