Ivan AND CAMILLE!!! FREAKY

[NorthGaWeather]

If I am not mistaken. All tropical waves traverse across the ITCZ, which would mean that by a natural occurence, Camille would HAVE to be a wave that came off the coast of Africa anyway.

Just something to think about.

Hmm ya think.

I'm just telling you what I've read from reports on it. Now a typical "cape verde" storm is one that develops before reaching the caribbean islands, which Camille may have been a TD before crossing into the Caribbean.

[SunnyThoughts]

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hu ... amille.htm This is a great site concerning Hurricane CAmille for those who haven't seen it.

[Mello1]

From a report on Camille

"With satellite imagery, forecasters identified a typical tropical wave off the coast of Africa on August 5, 1969. On August 9, the system was about 480 miles east of the Caribbean's leeward islands. Five days later, the pilot of a Navy reconnaissance plane observed a central pressure of 29.50 inches of mercury and surface winds of 55 mph (USACE 1970). Forecasters classified Camille as a tropical storm located 60 miles west of Grand Cayman Island, 480 miles south of Miami"

Now, I certainly don't profess to be a weather buff, but as with the vast majority of tropical systems, the origins of Camille came off of Africa. Whether these waves turn into more depends on the atmospheric conditions at that time.

Further, in terms of strictly APPEARANCE, as the original poster first noted, both systems do look a lot alike. This much is clear. Whether Ivan takes a similar track and intensity as Camille remains to be seen. I think the poster was only talking about the pictures.

[Anonymous]

Camille was NOT a tropical depression before the islands.

[SouthernWx]

look simular (atleast just in picture and not in strength!)

http://myweb.cableone.net/nolasue/camilleivan.gif

I agree...both photos are examples of great outflow signatures. Hurricane Allen also looked similar as it began intensifying...another very intense hurricane.

That is why forecaster Avila stated this hurricane will likely become an extremely dangerous hurricane over the northwest Caribbean and southeast Gulf of Mexico....he's saying there's a good possibility that Ivan will deepen explosively once it reaches the high octane TCHP waters near Jamaica (if not before).

If the forecast of low shear and no interaction with Hispanola or eastern Cuba verifies, 120 kts is indeed far too low an estimate of intensity.....because Ivan has all the earmarkings of a maxi hurricane...with the potential to reach 150 kts or more.

[Anonymous]

Camille was detected by satellite on August 14, 1969, as a tropical disturbance moving west in the Caribbean Sea. Early on the 15th, Camille became a strengthening hurricane while located off the western tip of Cuba. Crossing Cuba late on the 15th, Camille emerged in the southern Gulf of Mexico with 100 mph winds. By mid day on the 16th, reports from reconnaissance aircraft indicated that the storm had now slowed, but was intensifying, sustained winds had now reached 115 mph. By early evening, Camille was barely moving, but was intensifying rapidly with winds near 150 mph.

[NorthGaWeather]

Camille was NOT a tropical depression before the islands.

I didn't say it was I said it may have been. Do you have surface OBs, SAT pics of it before the islands? I haven't seen any of that and identifing TDs back then was a little bit harder then it is now.

[Anonymous]

Read the articles and historical data on the internet, from people that knew all about her. If you read my post about Camille being only a tropical disturbance in the Caribbean sea, that would tell you right there she wasn't a TD befroe the islands.

The post I made about Camille being only a tropical disturbance in the Caribbean, came from the site sunnythoughts gave us.

Thsi link provided by sunnythoughts is a great start for someone wanting to know about the specifics of Camille.

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hu ... amille.htm

Don't know what else to say.

[NorthGaWeather]

I've been to that site many times.