VOMIT Alert

[ColdFront77]

I have no idea what TV station you are refering to but I will say this. Local TV station channel 9 was well on board with the NE track before NHC was. I was there I know. He kept saying that he was going with the model that put the track thru Central Orlando. Even kept saying he knew it was against what the NHC said. He stuck his neck out. Having spoke with my brother in FT. Myers as it was coming in, I got the feeling that non of his local TV mets did same. DOn't know the guys name on Channel 9 but he was unbelievable!

WFTV-TV 9 Orlando's Chief Meteorologist Tom Terry was on Friday. He had several assistances with him throughout the later afternoon and evening. He introduced them to the viewers around midnight.

[Guest]

I know, and who is alxfamlaw, and why do I sound like him. I haven't even spoken a word. Anyway, jennifer, oh Stephanie, sorry you sounded like jennifer...

[Stephanie]

It's the attitude.

BTW, I'm glad to see you know the posting rules.

[Guest]

Attitude!! There's probably a handful of attitudes that seem the same. I know the rules because I read them when I signed up. It's bad habit I have. Nice cut and paste. hehehehe

[Derek Ortt]

<i>(and IMHO, TPC did NOT have that vortex message when the advisory was written) ... </i>


SF,

that could not be farther from the truth. The supplimentary vortex message was written at 1407 UTC, and the advisory was not issued until about 1445. They had 40 minutes to look at the data, and the discussion didnt come out until about 1515. If the advisory was in fact completed, it MUST be re-written to reflect the new data

[Stormsfury]

<i>(and IMHO, TPC did NOT have that vortex message when the advisory was written) ... </i>

SF,

that could not be farther from the truth. The supplimentary vortex message was written at 1407 UTC, and the advisory was not issued until about 1445. They had 40 minutes to look at the data, and the discussion didnt come out until about 1515. If the advisory was in fact completed, it MUST be re-written to reflect the new data

The advisory wasn't issued until about 1445 UTC, BUT what I don't know is exactly WHEN the actual advisory was written ... but, you know, that intensity upgrade I can't really argue about ...

The original point for me was the hypocrisy of the Orlando news station blaming NHC for not acting fast enough and the station telling people to expect 30-40 mph winds with a CAT 2 breathing down their necks ...

SF

[Derek Ortt]

The Orlando TV station has a bunch of clowns working for them then.I believe that the NHC path had strong TS winds for Orlando, not weak TS winds

[Guest]

The real shame is that Derech has made another bomb throwing post based on his own thoughts and hasnt responded since.

In a lot of ways Derecho is very much Rainstorm...

John I suggest you change tactics

[smerby]

Accuweather had a track west and north of Tampa through early Friday morning. The track was updated to just south of Tampa before 10:30 am then from to Punta Gorda through Lakeland to just west of Orlando before noon. This was a constant update process given the shift to the right of Charley.


Smerby

http://www.accuweather.com

[george_r_1961]

Ok lets stop the NHC bashing. There was PLENTY of warning given and the area affected was WELL within the forecast track. And for those people bashing the TV mets..these mets are NOT hurricane experts any more than your family doctor is a brain surgeon. Anyone with half a brain should know that. As for the NHC they are a dedicated group of men and women who do an outstanding job. 'Nuff said

[lookout]

Im just curious, if the data they had came in late, i.e. just after the 11am advisory, why didnt they just issue an immediate correction? ive always been of the mindset that when a storm is within 12 hours of landfall, hourly updates should be put out, as well as an inter-mediate discussion (i.e. every 3 hours instead of 6). It would cut out a LOT of confusion when storms are close to landfall and certainly cut out a lot of confusion in situations like this where a hurricane is nearly parralell to the coast. BTW, I completely agree with SF, I dont care what or who this guy at the station worked for, bashing the NHC is the wrong thing to do, whether they are right or wrong. (which IMO people just didnt take the warning seriously)If for no other reason than to assure the the public of the realibility of the NHC forecasts. This could seriously put doubt in uneducated viewers minds that the NHC doesnt have a clue and they should be ignored. Regardless, It seems so immature and silly for a lone OCM to bash an entire organization of professionals dedicated to studying and forecasting hurricanes.

[caneman]

Im just curious, if the data they had came in late, i.e. just after the 11am advisory, why didnt they just issue an immediate correction? ive always been of the mindset that when a storm is within 12 hours of landfall, hourly updates should be put out, as well as an inter-mediate discussion (i.e. every 3 hours instead of 6). It would cut out a LOT of confusion when storms are close to landfall and certainly cut out a lot of confusion in situations like this where a hurricane is nearly parralell to the coast. BTW, I completely agree with SF, I dont care what or who this guy at the station worked for, bashing the NHC is the wrong thing to do, whether they are right or wrong. (which IMO people just didnt take the warning seriously)If for no other reason than to assure the the public of the realibility of the NHC forecasts. This could seriously put doubt in uneducated viewers minds that the NHC doesnt have a clue and they should be ignored. Regardless, It seems so immature and silly for a lone OCM to bash an entire organization of professionals dedicated to studying and forecasting hurricanes.

This is the argument I have been making. NHC needs to be more flexible and if hourly updates/corrections, etc..... are needed then do so. One more thing. I didn't watch Channel 2 when I was in Orlando but this guy should not be confused with the excellent work both Channel 9 and Channel 6 provided. I knew a couple hours ahead of the NHC which way the system was heading. The guy on Channel 9 had a huge set of you know whats. He clearly indicated he was chucking aside the NHC projected pather and going with the right outlier up and thru the state. Gutsy, Gutsy call and right.