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More evidence, Times, they ARE a CHANGING!

#1 Postby azsnowman » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:46 am

It's pretty sad, my family and I pretty much observe Sunday as our families did YEARS ago, "most" of the time, Sunday for us is a day of relaxation, church, etc, etc. Apparently, WE'RE the minority now :cry:

http://www.azcentral.com

Sunday rapidly losing much of its specialness in U.S.


Ted Anthony
Associated Press
Jul. 18, 2004 12:00 AM


Once, within living memory, it was a day apart in many places: a 24-hour stretch of family time when liquor was unavailable, church was the rule, shopping was impossible and, in some towns, weekend staples such as tending the lawn and playing in the park met with hearty disapproval.

But America changed, and it dragged Sunday along with it.

Though Sunday still means worship and family time for millions of Americans, today it also means things it once didn't: 12-packs of Bud, the NFL on TV, catching up with the week's accumulated errands or picking up some CD.

"Today, for a lot of Americans, Sunday's just another day you have to go to work at Wal-Mart," says John Hinshaw, a labor historian at Lebanon Valley College in Annville, Pa.

Last week, the Virginia Legislature fixed a loophole it accidentally created when, attempting to abolish old "blue laws," it gave workers the right to take Sundays off as a day of rest. In the few days that the loophole was on the books, employees around Virginia started telling their supervisors they wouldn't be coming to work on Sundays.

The legislative mistake was a quirk, nothing more. But its quick and definitive correction by Virginia lawmakers summoned back into special session illustrated how markedly Sunday's place in American culture has evolved.

In a land where the pursuit of happiness is part of the national charter, Sunday's evolution attests to both Americans' harried lives and their determination to wring every drop of fun out of every day.

The Protestant notion of Sunday began to change in the 1800s with immigrant laborers, many Roman Catholic, who saw things differently. Many were devoted to "a Sunday that took a very different shape: church in the morning and leisure in the afternoon," says Alexis McCrossen, author of Holy Day, Holiday: The American Sunday.

The 20th century brought pushes toward a shorter workweek, and a major work-reform law passed in the 1930s created more down time and made Sunday less pivotal, at the same time commercial culture really took hold.

"You have a commodification of everything in American life, our time, our space, our experiences," McCrossen says. "And that puts a lot of pressure . . . to open up Sunday because there's so much profit to be made on this day that most people don't work."

Across the nation, laws governing Sunday conduct, some dating to the 17th century, have fallen. In some places, like South Carolina, the changes created a crazy-quilt patchwork that allows some stores to open at some hours while others can't.

In Maine, it wasn't until 1990 that voters repealed a law barring Sunday shopping at supermarkets and department stores. In Texas, as late as 1985, everything from kitchenware to air-conditioners to curtains could not be sold on two consecutive weekend days, a move designed to outlaw them on Sunday.

These days, it's unimaginable to many Americans, particularly younger ones: A mall closed on Sunday? The supermarket unavailable? Even laws governing Sunday alcohol, though they remain on some states' books, are falling away.

Today, 31 states permit Sunday sales of liquor, according to the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States. In the past two years, nine states initiated Sunday sales, including Massachusetts, where some of the earliest moral-conduct laws were passed.

New Jersey-based Commerce Bank has focused a promotional campaign on doing business on Sundays.

"We've erased a lot of the distinctions between night and day, between weekday and weekend," says Susan Orlean, author of Saturday Night in America. "Our notions of time and space are collapsing."

Sunday is no longer, as writer H.L. Mencken put it, merely "a day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in Hell."

"Maybe maintaining the idea of time having some relevance may actually become more meaningful," Orlean says. "I'm not sure that people really want to live in a universe in which there's no day and night, no week and weekend. I don't know that that gives us anything."
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#2 Postby azskyman » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:02 am

This one hits home Dennis.

Growing up in the conservative Republican part of Illinois (when Chicago seems hours away, not just a short drive down the tollway), we always went to Sunday school on Sundays, visited relatives and got together as a family on that day, and it was the ONLY day of the week we EVER went out to eat.

You could not shop on Sunday because downtown was closed. Could not buy cars, alcohol, or find a single big box store to pick up needed medicine without going during a short 3-hour window the pharmacist was at the Drug store.

No ATM's, so banking was not a possibility either.

Sunday was a time for church, family, and the occasional Sunday drive in the country.

I do remember, though, a donut shop about 16 miles away where you could go watch them make the glazed donuts and buy them hot. Not Krispy Kreme...but a forerunner.

These days Sunday is a day to avoid shopping if you can help it.

And of course, my printing plant is already on its way toward printing about a quarter million newspapers by the time sunsets today. I've already electronically checked in on the crews.

Ahhhh, for the old days!
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#3 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:23 am

I've noticed in the last few years Sunday gradually becoming just another day on the Calendar. :(
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#4 Postby coriolis » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:27 am

I am guilty. Sunday has lost a lot of the specialness for us. I remember how it used to be too. Now it's not much different than any other day. We can still make Sunday to be a Sabbath day in our own family traditions.
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#5 Postby Pburgh » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:57 am

Steve , I think we were raised in the same neighborhood. Sunday for our family meant Sunday school, then church. We also had a bakery where you could watch thru a big window as the baker glazed those warm donuts. With donuts in hand and the thick Sunday Newspaper, we'd head home to the smell of roasted chicken or roast beef. We always had an early dinner on Sunday with family and friends. It was definitely the day of rest, the Lord's day - a day of rest and renewal.

What great memories those are.
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#6 Postby Stephanie » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:09 am

I remember Sundays like those as well. You MIGHT have a store that was opened until noon (our local General Store was one), restaurants weren't open for dinner, stores were closed, etc.
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#7 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:18 am

Pburgh wrote:Steve , I think we were raised in the same neighborhood. Sunday for our family meant Sunday school, then church. We also had a bakery where you could watch thru a big window as the baker glazed those warm donuts. With donuts in hand and the thick Sunday Newspaper, we'd head home to the smell of roasted chicken or roast beef. We always had an early dinner on Sunday with family and friends. It was definitely the day of rest, the Lord's day - a day of rest and renewal.

What great memories those are.


Yes what special memories. We still attempt to be that way in our family, but it is difficult or so it seems in todays fast paced world where everything is available 24/7. I even got caught up in "going in to work for a few hours" for a long time until a voice spoke to me and told me to stop it.(no I wasn't hearing things, it just became very clear to me that I needed to stop doing that and be where I was supposed to be). We are celebrating my Mother-in-laws 87th birthday today at our house with a family dinner for as many as can make time for it in their schedules(we are blessed to have a lot of family close by). EVERYONE HAVE A BLESSED SUNDAY AND WONDERFUL WEEK!!
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#8 Postby azsnowman » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:22 am

This does bring back some fond memories that's for sure. Like I've mentioned numerous times before, I'd spend my summers on my grandparents farm, the town itself, was a little farming community, with a HUGE Christian background (Southern Baptist and Church of Christ), after church, we'd all get together, aunts, uncles, the next door farm neighbors, for a fried chicken, potato salad *supper* (that's what they called lunch)....shortly there after, it was football, baseball, whatever....a family Sunday without a doubt...."Ah, the memories indeed!"

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#9 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:49 am

Here in Sikeston, it's a little more like the "good old days"; yes, Wally World is open, along with the other food stores, DVD rentals, etc., BUT...with the exception of WalMart, those stores and restaurants that ARE open have limited hours on Sundays. Most businesses are closed (car sales, tax/accountant offices, the public library, even some gas stations).

This is due to a heavy church influence in the area; about half are fundamentalist/congregational, the rest Catholic and a few other denominations sprinkled in. It's still a day of rest and reflection for most people in this area.
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#10 Postby therock1811 » Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:02 pm

I'll say thats what happened! Used to be you couldn't buy alcohol at all, as you have said(I was born in '85, but mom knows this). However, here in the Cincinnati area, get THIS: you can buy liquor as early as 11am in some cities (Covington, KY being one and Florence has followed as I understand it)! The library is only open for 4 hours (1-5pm). The stores are open as are restaurants albeit for fewer hours.

EDIT: I got this from the city of Florence's website which publishes the minutes of each of its city council meetings...source: http://www.cityofflorenceky.com/minutes/020403SM.htm

Revises the hours when sales are permitted to allow malt beverages sales from 11:00 a.m. to midnight on Sunday and distilled spirits and wine sales by the drink from 1:00 p.m. to midnight on Sunday for hotels, motels or restaurants which have dining facilities with a minimum seating capacity of 100 people and which receive at least 50 % of their gross annual income from the dining facilities from the sale of food.


This means that beer and other malt beverages can be sold starting at 11am Sunday morning, and then wine can be sold at 1pm, but only in those establishments that serve 100 or more people and get 50% of their income from food sales.
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#11 Postby Aslkahuna » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:11 pm

Here in Sierra Vista, most places usually closed early on Sundays except for Wally World, gas stations, and the food stores (even K-Mart closes early) and that does include the Mall except for the Cinemark. The auto dealers and most small non food oriented businesses are closed on Sunday and even the places that are opened for Sundays are closed for Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter. The rest of the County except for Tombstone and (probably) Douglas are even more tightly closed on Sunday and especially St. David which is the main Mormon town in Cochise County-the only place open there on Sunday is the LDS Church.

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#12 Postby stormie_skies » Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:28 pm

I remember Sundays being the way you guys are describing them when I was little and lived in a smallish Wisconsin town. Everything closed on Sunday except maybe the supermarket, and no one could buy alcohol of any sort.
Things are a lot different now, especially living in a big city, but the change doesn't bother me at ALL (I know Im in the minority on this :roll: ). Having the option to do a few errands on Sunday allows me to free up some time during the week when Im really exhausted and just want to come home and be a bum. :P
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