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#21 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:17 am

uh oh.... i feel a RANT coming on --- lookout. :lol:

For the Bush Administration, this IF FACT, would be awesome news and probably keep the boat from sinking as quickly as it is.

But if i was Guliani, i would have to ask myself whether or not i wanted to ruin my own political career by getting involved in an administration that the MAJORITY of Americans DON'T LIKE.

The reason why George W will win again this time around (and legitimately, w/o any need for the supreme court or recounts in Florida) is because the same majority of Americans that DON'T LIKE HIM, dislike Kerry even more. IF it was any other democratic candidate with a more solid record -- that could appeal to the American people more, President Bush would be sent packing faster than you could say recount. John Kerry is NOT a person which the American people can look up to, (especially considering his activities at the Vietnam war protests, which is NO way for a veteran to behave, much less one who has aspirations of becoming president) he is NOT going to become president, and really I'm not even sure if he has the fortitude to actually take a stance on the issues and STICK to it.

Cheney (and his oil cronies) is also a majority of what is wrong with the bush administration -- So if he decided not to run for a second term w/ Bush, i would not be sad to see him go.

But getting back to the issue of Guliani, i think it would be political suicide for him to get involved w/ the Bush (lack of) Administration. I mean how many times in history do we see both the sitting vice president AND secretary of State resign at the Same time.

I've said it once and will say it again, i am voting for bush, and its NOT because i like him, or support him in any way, b/c i DON'T, i am voting for him out of allegiance to my fellow republicans, and the interest of the party it's self -- compounded by the fact that i HATE John Kerry.
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#22 Postby j » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:33 am

USAwx1 wrote:I've said it once and will say it again, i am voting for bush, and its NOT because i like him, or support him in any way, b/c i DON'T, i am voting for him out of allegiance to my fellow republicans, and the interest of the party it's self -- compounded by the fact that i HATE John Kerry.


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#24 Postby Guest » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:44 am

USAwx1 wrote:uh oh.... i feel a RANT coming on --- lookout. :lol:

For the Bush Administration, this IF FACT, would be awesome news and probably keep the boat from sinking as quickly as it is.

But if i was Guliani, i would have to ask myself whether or not i wanted to ruin my own political career by getting involved in an administration that the MAJORITY of Americans DON'T LIKE.

The reason why George W will win again this time around (and legitimately, w/o any need for the supreme court or recounts in Florida) is because the same majority of Americans that DON'T LIKE HIM, dislike Kerry even more. IF it was any other democratic candidate with a more solid record -- that could appeal to the American people more, President Bush would be sent packing faster than you could say recount. John Kerry is NOT a person which the American people can look up to, (especially considering his activities at the Vietnam war protests, which is NO way for a veteran to behave, much less one who has aspirations of becoming president) he is NOT going to become president, and really I'm not even sure if he has the fortitude to actually take a stance on the issues and STICK to it.

Cheney (and his oil cronies) is also a majority of what is wrong with the bush administration -- So if he decided not to run for a second term w/ Bush, i would not be sad to see him go.

But getting back to the issue of Guliani, i think it would be political suicide for him to get involved w/ the Bush (lack of) Administration. I mean how many times in history do we see both the sitting vice president AND secretary of State resign at the Same time.

I've said it once and will say it again, i am voting for bush, and its NOT because i like him, or support him in any way, b/c i DON'T, i am voting for him out of allegiance to my fellow republicans, and the interest of the party it's self -- compounded by the fact that i HATE John Kerry.


Good post.
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#25 Postby Stephanie » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:10 pm

rainstorm wrote:
zwyts wrote:
tomboudreau wrote:Is Bush scared that he might lose the election w/ Cheney as his running mate and this would just add to his popularity?


Good point, and absolutely a contributing factor.



sorry, has nothing to do with that. kerry,as an ultra lib had no chance. the reason for another vp candidate is so the republicans have someone to challenge hillary in 2008


That I have to disagree with Helen. Cheney doesn't have to run for President in 2008 and automatically open the door for Guiliani. It will be an open field for the Republicans in 2008 whether GW wins his second term or not. I think it was for popularity as well.

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#26 Postby j » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:22 pm

good point Steph...about him not HAVING to run...but I don't necessarily agree that it will be a wide open field. I just like "our" chances better with one foot in the door
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#27 Postby kittcat » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:24 pm

There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!
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#28 Postby Skywatch_NC » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:26 pm

kittcat wrote:There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!


Er....Vice President
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#29 Postby Stephanie » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:27 pm

kittcat - I think that it will make the Dems more afraid of Guiliani and what it will do to the election. IT WILL get alot of "on the fence" people, especially more liberal minded people like myself to probably vote for Bush.

I think IT WILL piss the conservatives off though.
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#30 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:28 pm

kittcat wrote:There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!


You mean VP. Cheney will give it up if his health continues to decline. Stay tuned.
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#31 Postby kittcat » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:29 pm

Errr- Skywatch.. Not a typo.
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#32 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:35 pm

kittcat wrote:There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!


That's what we need in Washington, someone who is more moderate that can work w/ others. its not about ego's and being the personification of or poster child for your party's stance on the issues; its about getting the job done for the American people.
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#33 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:36 pm

kittcat wrote:Errr- Skywatch.. Not a typo.


Stay tuned.
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#34 Postby Guest » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:36 pm

USAwx1 wrote:
kittcat wrote:There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!


That's what we need in Washington, someone who is more moderate that can work w/ others. its not about ego's and being the personification of your party's stance on the issues; its about getting the job done for the American people.


Giuliani would get Bush votes in swing states. Thats for sure. It is up to Rudy for sure. I think he'll decline.
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#35 Postby USAwx1 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:39 pm

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USAwx1 wrote:
kittcat wrote:There's no way the conservative repubs are going to run Guiliani....1) he's pro-choice 2) he's pro-gay and 3) he just went through a very ugly and very public divorce based on his infidelity. What a field day the dems would have with that. And 4) Mr. Cheney likes being the president too much and would never give it up!


That's what we need in Washington, someone who is more moderate that can work w/ others. its not about ego's and being the personification of your party's stance on the issues; its about getting the job done for the American people.


Giuliani would get Bush votes in swing states. Thats for sure. It is up to Rudy for sure. I think he'll decline.


he would be smart to.
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#36 Postby j » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:52 pm

I’ve been thinking this through, and I’ve got my thoughts collected now.
At this time, there is no more urgent political concern in this country, than to take whatever action is necessary to assure Kerry stays in Massachusetts. Why???

Simply…The War on Terror! Putting aside Guiliani’s shortcomings(abortion views, immigration views, numerous social liberal stances), the one un-deniable fact is that he would be a giant force in the fight against terror. Who, in their right mind, can argue that this is, or at least should be, the #1 concern of each and every American?

With that being said, I’d like to back peddle a bit, and make my own prediction on how this plays out.

Cheney resigns (but doesn’t necessarily slip into CIA position)
C. Rice accepts the VP nomination.
Bush wins in a landslide.

This gives the Republican ticket everything they could possible want and more.

1) The edge they need to take 2004.
2) An intelligent woman on the ticket with strong conservative ideals to satisfy the hard line Conservatives, as well as a reason the woman democratic voters out there need to change parties.
3) The perfect opponent for Billary Clinton in 2008 w/o sacrificing important republican core values.
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#37 Postby Wnghs2007 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:57 pm

j wrote:I’ve been thinking this through, and I’ve got my thoughts collected now.
At this time, there is no more urgent political concern in this country, than to take whatever action is necessary to assure Kerry stays in Massachusetts. Why???

Simply…The War on Terror! Putting aside Guiliani’s shortcomings(abortion views, immigration views, numerous social liberal stances), the one un-deniable fact is that he would be a giant force in the fight against terror. Who, in their right mind, can argue that this is, or at least should be, the #1 concern of each and every American?

With that being said, I’d like to back peddle a bit, and make my own prediction on how this plays out.

Cheney resigns (but doesn’t necessarily slip into CIA position)
C. Rice accepts the VP nomination.
Bush wins in a landslide.

This gives the Republican ticket everything they could possible want and more.

1) The edge they need to take 2004.
2) An intelligent woman on the ticket with strong conservative ideals to satisfy the hard line Conservatives, as well as a reason the woman democratic voters out there need to change parties.
3) The perfect opponent for Billary Clinton in 2008 w/o sacrificing important republican core values.


Brillant Scenario j I like that alot. Maybe it will happen.
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#38 Postby chadtm80 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:59 pm

Perfect scenerio J.. Dont know that it would happen, but that would be great
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#39 Postby j » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:01 pm

chadtm80 wrote:Perfect scenerio J.. Dont know that it would happen, but that would be great


hey chad...what happened to "brilliant"?? :)
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#40 Postby Wnghs2007 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:02 pm

j wrote:
chadtm80 wrote:Perfect scenerio J.. Dont know that it would happen, but that would be great


hey chad...what happened to "brilliant"?? :)



LOL. You are brilliant j;can we just leave it at that. LOL. Chad. congratulate the brilliant one. LMAO. Keep up the ideas. :wink: :D
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