Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Overturned! Sad & Inhumane

[USAwx1]

I usually don't get involved in these things but, in this case I'm going to anyway.

First of all (personally speaking) I DO NOT condone abortion (see the graphics above for the reason why), except in cases of rape and incest, at which time it may be required.

BUT at the same time, it is my opinion that i have NO RIGHT (nor does ANYONE, whether their a supreme court judge, politician, or janitor) to impress upon others what I (or they) believe to be right or wrong (which is largely what this amounts to), thus, i do consider myself PRO-CHOICE for that reason, even in spite of the fact i do not condone or support abortion from a personal standpoint.

[Guest]

I usually don't get involved in these things but, in this case I'm going to anyway.

First of all (personally speaking) I DO NOT condone abortion (see the graphics above for the reason why), except in cases of rape and incest, at which time it may be required.

BUT at the same time, it is my opinion that i have NO RIGHT (nor does ANYONE, whether their a supreme court judge, politician, or janitor) to impress upon others what I (or they) believe to be right or wrong (which is largely what this amounts to), thus, i do consider myself PRO-CHOICE for that reason, even in spite of the fact i do not condone or support abortion from a personal standpoint.

well put!!

Be prepared for flames!!

[southerngale]

LindaLOO should be along to admonish you in a minute for making this a political argument.

The picture has no effect on my position of choice and women's bodily rights.

I do not believe I am cold-hearted at all. I think most people do not take the decision to abort lightly and in a pragmatic society, certain factors outweigh certian others.

The MAJORITY of the US believes that the life of the mother is paramount. You and Mrschad are in the minority.

That picture is of a baby and not the woman's body. She can do whatever she wants to her own body, as long as she doesn't hurt that innocent, helpless baby.

The MAJORITY of the U.S. does not support partial-birth abortion. However, there are many selfish people in the world so it's not surprising that some women support this barbaric procedure. I know that the majority support it if the mother's life is in danger, but according to numerous medical experts, partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to preserve the life or the health of the mother.

I could care less if I'm in the minority anyway. I would give up my life if it meant saving my baby's life, no question about it.

[Guest]

LindaLOO should be along to admonish you in a minute for making this a political argument.

The picture has no effect on my position of choice and women's bodily rights.

I do not believe I am cold-hearted at all. I think most people do not take the decision to abort lightly and in a pragmatic society, certain factors outweigh certian others.

The MAJORITY of the US believes that the life of the mother is paramount. You and Mrschad are in the minority.

That picture is of a baby and not the woman's body. She can do whatever she wants to her own body, as long as she doesn't hurt that innocent, helpless baby.

The MAJORITY of the U.S. does not support partial-birth abortion. However, there are many selfish people in the world so it's not surprising that some women support this barbaric procedure. I know that the majority support it if the mother's life is in danger, but according to numerous medical experts, partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to preserve the life or the health of the mother.

I could care less if I'm in the minority anyway. I would give up my life if it meant saving my baby's life, no question about it.

I disagree, but well stated. You are firm in your beliefs.

re: PBA's saving lives and medical experts, it is he said, she said.

[Lindaloo]

LindaLOO should be along to admonish you in a minute for making this a political argument.

If you wish to confront me then please use the PM button. Keep it to debate here.

[Guest]

LindaLOO should be along to admonish you in a minute for making this a political argument.

If you wish to confront me then please use the PM button. Keep it to debate here.

I agree.

[southerngale]

Partial birth abortion is a decision made between doctor and patient due to extreme birth defects that may not be detected until later in the pregnancy or because the woman's health is at risk. I don't think you're going to find many doctors (unless they're located in a back room alley) that are going to abort a healthy fetus from a healthy mother that is more than 16 weeks developed.

I'm sure it would be a very tough decision for any woman to make, but it's her decision, not the governments.

Actually, it is past 24 weeks that abortions are rarely done and many states have restrictions on abortions past that time. And yes, regular abortionists perform them beyond 16 weeks though the majority of abortions are performed before 16 weeks. Like I said earlier, partial-birth abortions are usually NOT medically necessary to save the woman's life. They are not safer than other abortion methods and the would-be mother may actually have long-term health consequences because she had it.

Why should it be the mother's decision and not the governments? Should the government stay out of all murders as long as it's your own kids you're killing? I just don't understand that way of thinking.

So this is an ok decision for a mother to make? (warning: graphic pic)
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No way!

Logically incomplete, because when PBA's are used they are usually used to protect the health of the mother.

Not logically incomplete because partial-birth abortions are not necessary to protect the health of the mother. Nevermind that I would still be against them.

A small percentage of partial-birth abortions involve babies with severe abnormalities. Most are for the mother's mental health. Medical specialists regularly deliver such babies alive, usually vaginally, without risk to their mothers.

Over 300 physician specialists including former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop issued a statement "partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother's health or her future fertility." Koop has said that no competent physician with state-of-the-art skill in the management of high-risk pregnancies needs to perform a partial birth abortion. Of course, many physicians lack this level of skill, so they resort to partial birth abortion.



(Koop info borrowed from youdebate.com)

[admin]

6 pages of back and forth.. Lots of emotions involved and I think everyone has had ample time to get there feelings out there. Good debate, but im going to go ahead and lock it for now. Everyone has had time to get there voices heard on the issue

Any questions Please feel free to pm me

Chadtm80 (im logged in from work and im in hiding.. lol )