Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Overturned! Sad & Inhumane

[Amanzi]

Look at that and tell me it would have been ok if I had just gotten rid of IT! She was born at 38 weeks, I saw her sucking her thumb on ultrasound at 25 weeks, I heard her heart beat at 12 weeks, I felt her kick me for months and she would respond to music in my womb, Now tell me she is not a little life that deserves all I can give her. Look any baby in the eye and tell them it would have been ok if your mommy murdered you... it was her choice!!!

[Rainband]

How priceless.

[Guest]

Bron, she is absolutely precious! What a beautiful little angel you have.
...Jennifer...

[Guest]

Cute Kid.

Pro-Choice advocates love kids as well and make some of the best parents.

[j]

Cute Kid.

Pro-Choice advocates love kids as well and make some of the best parents.

you are probably right...that is of course only if they choose not to shred the baby like ground hamburg instead.

[Guest]

Cute Kid.

Pro-Choice advocates love kids as well and make some of the best parents.

you are probably right...that is of course only if they choose not to shred the baby like ground hamburg instead.

That would mean most then. Because most choice advocates are religious, moral people who have never had an abortion.

[Guest]

And often it is used to protect the health of the mother.

Like Lindaloo said earlier, any real mother would never choose abortion. A mother is someone who would DIE for her child. No moral woman would kill her child in order to save her own life. Not a chance. I am 100% right, so don't try me on this one. Ask your own mother and see what she has to say.
...Jennifer...

Notwithstanding your views on abortion overall, is there anyone else here who disagrees with the above post? That it is immoral to save a woman's life over that of her unborn child.

[Guest]

If the baby was dieing, or the mother was sick in needed to Abort at the last second then "yes".

Mrschad disagrees with you.

[GalvestonDuck]

I could imagine that most, if not all, women would have a terribly hard time ever choosing to take their own child's life over their own, in cases where the mother has has an opportunity to hold the child in her arms.

On the other hand, for some women who have not held the baby, not felt it kick, and not really become aware of its presence (in other words, those who have only known their "unborn" child), they may not have the same emotional connection and, therefore, it may not feel like taking a life. Those who believe that it's not a baby yet (while still in the womb) are most likely pro-choice and more capable of deciding to abort if they were faced with that choice. However, once the baby is born, they probably would feel that taking the child's life is murder.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone could not understand that it's a baby from the start. However, since some of them have been brainwashed into thinking that way, they probably don't see it as wrong or as murder.

[Lindaloo]

lighten up, LindaLOO..No need to divert the argument just because we do not happen to agree.

I am enlightened wits.

[kittcat]

Partial birth abortion is a decision made between doctor and patient due to extreme birth defects that may not be detected until later in the pregnancy or because the woman's health is at risk. I don't think you're going to find many doctors (unless they're located in a back room alley) that are going to abort a healthy fetus from a healthy mother that is more than 16 weeks developed.

I'm sure it would be a very tough decision for any woman to make, but it's her decision, not the governments.

[DROliver]

This was a great step for women's rights and women's health.

If you are talking about protecting the womans right to choose.Outside of rape,medical condition or incest under 16 a woman is given the right to choose,many times.

#1 She had a choice to have or not have intercourse.
#2 She had the choice to birth control
a) Choice to take the pill or patch
b) Choice to use a sponge,diaphragm or spermicide.
c) Choice to have partner use a condom or pull out in time.

A woman is given the right to choose many times before and during intercourse.Why do they insist to have the right to make one last choice and that choice is to murder another human.There is no logic too it,NONE!

I have seen a live partial birth abortion on a woman who was raped by a mentaly retarded man. I witnessed murder and it still today haunts me,everytime this subject is brought up.

Any abortion is wrong and those involved will be judged at a later time.Make no doubt about it!

As far as your claim it "is a great step in woman's health" there is no truth to that.Unless you believe having a baby is an unhealthy thing!

Many choices were made before the choice to end a human life is given,it is typical left wing politics, they believe in the Do-Over policy!They preach this will save lives,woman will not die in back alleys, clients of poor procedures and infection.If I was given the choice to choose between 100 woman to die in defense of 1 million humans who will see life,then my choice would be an easy one.

Steve O.

[Lindaloo]

Texas used to abort babies up to 5 months.

Take a look at fetal development in the 5th month.

http://www.americanbaby.com/ab/category ... ldev_5.xml


Quick edit: This is not an attack on the great state of Texas.

[Lindaloo]

I'm sure it would be a very tough decision for any woman to make, but it's her decision, not the governments.

And it was also the governments decision to take a baby's life too. That argument is a two way street and moot.

[southerngale]

duckie...that's why I believe more pictures of aborted babies (as sad and disgusting as it is) need to make it into the homes of the pro-abortion folks. I have a hard time believing that most people, with the exception of Zwyts, who comes across as very cold-hearted to me, would still not see they're killing an actual baby and not a glob of tissue. Seeing the shredded body parts should be enough to knock some sense into most people.

Oh and Zwyts, if it was my life or my baby's life, I would give up my life for his/hers. I cannot even imagine making the decision to kill my baby so I could live. Geez, how selfish that would make me! The instinct for any mother is to protect her children, even if it means putting her own life in danger. Of course you have some mothers who do just the opposite - just look at mothers like Susan Smith. Just because some mothers do it does not make it ok.

This judge needs to be removed. She made a horrible decision that not only goes against common sense and basic morality, it is overwhelmingly against public opinion. If Americans could vote on this issue and abortion in general, it would NOT be legal. I urge anyone who is pro-life to vote accordingly, which means voting for Bush. If you're pro-life and voting for Kerry, you should consider re-arranging your priorities because a vote for Kerry is a vote for more dead babies. Our only chance is re-electing Bush and replacing wackos like Judge Phyllis Hamilton. Btw, she called the excruciating pain to the newborn infant "irrelevant" - I wonder if she would feel the same if it was her experiencing that pain.

[j]

Excellant post again Kelly.

Trying to convince Zwyts and others cut from that mold that abortion is a terrible thing is like trying convince the KKK that a black man has the right to use the same tolilet as he does.

[southerngale]

Partial birth abortion is a decision made between doctor and patient due to extreme birth defects that may not be detected until later in the pregnancy or because the woman's health is at risk. I don't think you're going to find many doctors (unless they're located in a back room alley) that are going to abort a healthy fetus from a healthy mother that is more than 16 weeks developed.

I'm sure it would be a very tough decision for any woman to make, but it's her decision, not the governments.

Actually, it is past 24 weeks that abortions are rarely done and many states have restrictions on abortions past that time. And yes, regular abortionists perform them beyond 16 weeks though the majority of abortions are performed before 16 weeks. Like I said earlier, partial-birth abortions are usually NOT medically necessary to save the woman's life. They are not safer than other abortion methods and the would-be mother may actually have long-term health consequences because she had it.

Why should it be the mother's decision and not the governments? Should the government stay out of all murders as long as it's your own kids you're killing? I just don't understand that way of thinking.

So this is an ok decision for a mother to make? (warning: graphic pic)
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No way!

[Guest]

duckie...that's why I believe more pictures of aborted babies (as sad and disgusting as it is) need to make it into the homes of the pro-abortion folks. I have a hard time believing that most people, with the exception of Zwyts, who comes across as very cold-hearted to me, would still not see they're killing an actual baby and not a glob of tissue. Seeing the shredded body parts should be enough to knock some sense into most people.

Oh and Zwyts, if it was my life or my baby's life, I would give up my life for his/hers. I cannot even imagine making the decision to kill my baby so I could live. Geez, how selfish that would make me! The instinct for any mother is to protect her children, even if it means putting her own life in danger. Of course you have some mothers who do just the opposite - just look at mothers like Susan Smith. Just because some mothers do it does not make it ok.

This judge needs to be removed. She made a horrible decision that not only goes against common sense and basic morality, it is overwhelmingly against public opinion. If Americans could vote on this issue and abortion in general, it would NOT be legal. I urge anyone who is pro-life to vote accordingly, which means voting for Bush. If you're pro-life and voting for Kerry, you should consider re-arranging your priorities because a vote for Kerry is a vote for more dead babies. Our only chance is re-electing Bush and replacing wackos like Judge Phyllis Hamilton. Btw, she called the excruciating pain to the newborn infant "irrelevant" - I wonder if she would feel the same if it was her experiencing that pain.

LindaLOO should be along to admonish you in a minute for making this a political argument.

The picture has no effect on my position of choice and women's bodily rights.

I do not believe I am cold-hearted at all. I think most people do not take the decision to abort lightly and in a pragmatic society, certain factors outweigh certian others.

The MAJORITY of the US believes that the life of the mother is paramount. You and Mrschad are in the minority.

[Guest]

Excellant post again Kelly.

Trying to convince Zwyts and others cut from that mold that abortion is a terrible thing is like trying convince the KKK that a black man has the right to use the same tolilet as he does.

What mold is that?

The mold that respects the sanctity of women's bodies, womens health?

[Guest]

Partial birth abortion is a decision made between doctor and patient due to extreme birth defects that may not be detected until later in the pregnancy or because the woman's health is at risk. I don't think you're going to find many doctors (unless they're located in a back room alley) that are going to abort a healthy fetus from a healthy mother that is more than 16 weeks developed.

I'm sure it would be a very tough decision for any woman to make, but it's her decision, not the governments.

Actually, it is past 24 weeks that abortions are rarely done and many states have restrictions on abortions past that time. And yes, regular abortionists perform them beyond 16 weeks though the majority of abortions are performed before 16 weeks. Like I said earlier, partial-birth abortions are usually NOT medically necessary to save the woman's life. They are not safer than other abortion methods and the would-be mother may actually have long-term health consequences because she had it.

Why should it be the mother's decision and not the governments? Should the government stay out of all murders as long as it's your own kids you're killing? I just don't understand that way of thinking.

So this is an ok decision for a mother to make? (warning: graphic pic)
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No way!

Logically incomplete, because when PBA's are used they are usually used to protect the health of the mother.