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#1 Postby j » Mon May 03, 2004 2:01 pm

Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him


By Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004



When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.
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#2 Postby Wnghs2007 » Mon May 03, 2004 2:03 pm

Oh that is bad and as sickening as I have ever heard in my life....what a sick wacko....he definetly needs help...
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#3 Postby j » Mon May 03, 2004 2:06 pm

Yes it is bad....but not extra ordinary by any stretch. This is standard fare at Liberal Universities across the country.
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#4 Postby Wnghs2007 » Mon May 03, 2004 2:07 pm

yes. very true....


Could you name some of the liberal universities around the us...thanks
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#5 Postby j » Mon May 03, 2004 2:25 pm

Wnghs2007 wrote:yes. very true....


Could you name some of the liberal universities around the us...thanks


ummm...Lets see...the aforementioned U-Mass, UCLA, Univ of California-Berkeley, Stanford, Princeton, Brown, Univ. of Wisconsin...I mean the list is endless
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#6 Postby streetsoldier » Mon May 03, 2004 2:30 pm

Start with all the Ivy League colleges (Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Rutgers, etc.), add in the "Seven Sisters" (Mount Holyoke, Smith, Vassar, Radclifffe, etc.), and go on from there.

The only colleges that are NOT liberal indcoctrination enclaves are Hillsdale College in MI, most theological schools, and most of the church-based colleges.
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#7 Postby pawlee » Mon May 03, 2004 2:48 pm

hmmm... i don't see this ahole forgoing her comfortable life to do anything for the greater good. to hell with her...
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#8 Postby streetsoldier » Mon May 03, 2004 3:19 pm

Yes, I have noticed that VERY few "protesters" have ever served anything but themselves; therefore, I am amazed at their consistent anger over something they are NOT involved in. :grrr:
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#9 Postby Rainband » Mon May 03, 2004 3:22 pm

I heard this on my local radio station on Friday!! :x Rene is actually a Guy and he later released an apology. TOO LATE!!!! What an idiot...this infuriated me to no end :grr:
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#10 Postby Stephanie » Mon May 03, 2004 6:21 pm

Not all "liberals" agree with Rene's statement. I thought it was rather narrow-minded. Tillman and all that have served are heroes IMHO.
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#11 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon May 03, 2004 6:55 pm

I'd like to see that idiot who wrote that editorial hang publicly and die by strangulation. How dare he write that we have no right to defend ourselves in Afghanistan. If he wants to live in a land full of terror, let him to be the first to die as a result.

Sorry for the outburst, but that idiot really makes my blood boil.

Now, I just need to get into a betetr modd by tomorrow, when I present at the confrence
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#12 Postby j » Tue May 04, 2004 8:32 am

Stephanie wrote:Not all "liberals" agree with Rene's statement. I thought it was rather narrow-minded. Tillman and all that have served are heroes IMHO.


Agreed! but.....I think its a fair statement to say that this person is not the only "American" to hold a view like this. I feel sorry for the Liberals in a way, that people like this give them a bad name.
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#13 Postby Stephanie » Tue May 04, 2004 9:11 am

j wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Not all "liberals" agree with Rene's statement. I thought it was rather narrow-minded. Tillman and all that have served are heroes IMHO.


Agreed! but.....I think its a fair statement to say that this person is not the only "American" to hold a view like this. I feel sorry for the Liberals in a way, that people like this give them a bad name.


EXACTLY! They unfortunately exist on both sides. :wink:
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#14 Postby JQ Public » Tue May 04, 2004 9:40 am

Dumb article. The guy should get a clue.
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