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Oh sure, let's make racial tensions even WORSE!

#1 Postby azsnowman » Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:14 pm

GOD.....I am Sooooooooo PO'D over this, I can't see straight :grr: This Bishop Obrien, ex head of the Phoenix Catholic Church, get PROBATION for KILLING A MAN :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: This man KNEW of the child molestations within his churches, HE ignored it, hence the reason he's the EX bishop and now the @$$hole gets away with MURDER of a NATIVE AMERICAN!!!!


4 years' probation for O'Brien in hit-run

Arizona Republic

Bishop Thomas O'Brien was allegedly behind the wheel when his car hit and killed a pedestrian June 14.

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Mar. 26, 2004 03:20 PM


Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien was sentenced Friday to four years' probation and 1,000 hours of community service for leaving the scene of a fatal car-pedestrian accident. He had faced up to 45 months in prison and a $150,000 fine.

O'Brien was also given a six-month deferred jail sentence - jail time that would effectively be erased if he meets all conditions of his probation.

The bishop's driving privileges were suspended for five years. His community service must be in the form of face-to-face visits to comfort the seriously ill or dying and would cover people of all faiths and backgrounds, the judge said.

In explaining the basis of the sentence, Judge Stephen A. Gerst of Maricopa County Superior Court took some 90 minutes to review for O'Brien and observers in the packed courtroom of similar cases and what sentences those defendants received.



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Gerst said he researched 99 cases on his own, in part to address concerns that O'Brien, a well-known public figure, might get away with a lighter sentence than ordinary citizens.

The judge noted that O'Brien was unlike any of the 69 defendants in that case review who got prison or jail time, many of whom stopped after a serious accident, realized there were serious injuries or death to others, and bolted. He said he found no evidence that the bishop tried to conceal evidence.

Gerst started the proceeding by acknowledging scores of people who wrote or testified on behalf or against the bishop - from the relatives and friends of the pedestrian, Jim L. Reed, to victims of sexual abuse at the hands of predatory priests who said they found no recourse or voice from the Catholic church leadership, including O'Brien.

"I want all of you to know - I've heard you and I've listened," he said.

But Gerst said the case and the sentencing rested on one issue only - the requirement that drivers stop and provide help in accidents involving serious injuries or death.

The judge said he heard many in the community who said that O'Brien deserved harsher treatment given his standing as a cleric, but he said to do so would be "interjecting religion into this."

A jury of five women and three men deliberated a little less than seven hours over two days before returning the unanimous guilty verdict against O'Brien on Feb. 17.

In a court hearing last week, the bishop for the first time publicly accepted responsibility for his actions and implored a judge to sentence him to probation so he can "continue to serve the church and the community."

Reading from a prepared statement at the start of a daylong presentencing hearing, the bishop stopped short of apologizing for his actions in the June 14 accident.

He asked for forgiveness and told the court he realizes, in the wake of the conviction, that "I should have known I hit someone and stopped and returned to the scene of the accident."

"The police and lawyers have told me and the court that I am not responsible for causing the death of Mr. Reed," O'Brien said. "Nonetheless, I feel responsible, Your Honor. I feel responsible."The loss and sadness related to Mr. Reed's death and my sadness at being involved in an accident that resulted in his loss of life, places a feeling of responsibility in my soul, in my heart and in my mind."

Robert Ramirez, an attorney and spokesman for the Reed family, called O'Brien's five-minute statement "evasive."

"It's very carefully worded," Ramirez said. "We're just wondering if it is from his heart or is it lip service for the judge. It's basically a self-serving comment."

Reed, who worked as a carpenter in Phoenix, was jaywalking and intoxicated at the time of the accident. Prosecutors said if O'Brien had stopped at the scene he never would have faced criminal charges.

O'Brien resigned as head of the Phoenix Diocese one day after his arrest, but remains a bishop for life in the eyes of the church.


Dennis :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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#2 Postby azsnowman » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:22 pm

I'm not running down the Catholic religion by ANY MEANS, I'm sure there are JUST as many other clergy that are just as guilty of child molestation, it's just not surfaced yet!

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#3 Postby azskyman » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:56 pm

I heard the verdict read live on the radio today, Dennis.

Like you, I find it hard to believe that a Native American who killed the Bishop of the Catholic Diocese and then drove home without telling a soul would get 4 years probation.

He'd be lucky to see daylight again.

Not the right sentence...apparently not the right judge.
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#4 Postby GalvestonDuck » Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:18 pm

Part of the issue with the child molestation problem is priest-penitent privilege. Just as a doctor can't break patient confidentiality and a lawyer can't divulge information that his client gives him in private, a priest can't reveal what he hears in the confessional. However, in certain cases, a patient's history can be divulged to other confidential sources. For example, the health department gets a report from hospitals when another case of HIV, hepatitis, or some sort of STD is diagnosed, or when a animal bite incident occurs. Social workers are called in when child abuse is the suspected cause of injury. And police can subpoena a patient's blood alcohol results in cases of accidents where someone was injured or killed.

So, in some ways, it seems that a priest should be allowed or even obliged to report when he knows that the well-being of a child is in jeopardy. Some could even argue that it violates the priest's freedom of speech if he can't be allowed to report such vile acts. Furthermore, if it were possible for a lawer to call a priest to testify in the case of another who is a suspected child molestor, wouldn't it be like asking him to lie under sworn oath if he couldn't say what was said in the confessional?

On the other hand, if Catholics thought that the sacrament of confession could be violated so easily, what would that do for their spiritual welfare? Would they stop going to confession? Would they carry the burden of their sins with them for the rest of their lives?

For me personally, the whole reason for confessing -- to God, to the person I've offended, or maybe to a priest - is for forgiveness. It's not about slipping quietly into some dark chamber, whispering to someone on the other side of a wall and telling him your darkest, dirtiest secrets, and then walking away, hoping he never tells another soul. Instead, for me anway, it's about admitting a wrong, asking God and the person I've wronged for forgiveness, and then doing what I can to rectify that problem and make up for the hurt or trouble I may have caused. For that reason, I don't go to confession anymore. I haven't since my mom's funeral when I talked frankly with a friend of hers who is a priest. He said he understood where I was coming from and if it made me feel better to pray straight to God and to discuss problems with those parties involved, then that's what I should do. I just never felt at peace when I only told the priest my sins and then stepped outside, knelt down in a pew, and said a handful of Our Fathers and Apostle's Creeds.

I don't see how someone could violate a child and then go tell a priest about it and then repeat a few verbatim prayers and feel better about the whole situation. The prayers should be personal and specific. And the priest should be allowed divulge what he knows in order to spare that child anymore trauma.
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#5 Postby timNms » Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:35 pm

I've never understood why a person would have to go through a priest to confess sins to God. Guess that's what I get for being a Baptist, huh? :)

As far as what you were saying, Duck, I don't understand why priests are not required by law to report child abuse. I understand that what is told them is supposed to be done in a confidencial manner, but some things should take precidence over confidentiality. Teachers are required to report even suspected cases of abuse or face criminal charges!
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#6 Postby blizzard » Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:01 am

In the case of crimes such as that, confidentiality goes out the window. The priest has a legal obligation to act on the confession of a crime. Especially one of such seriousness.
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