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#1 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:22 pm

Do kids these days really chat and email in short-hand SO much that they can't break the habit when they post on a news website forum? Or are they lacking in education and really don't know how to spell or punctuate correctly? I mean, I know we all have typos and such, but this is seriously scary to read. Some kids fall through the cracks and graduate without even being able to read. Are we seeing a new breed of illiteracy? Mal-literacy? Dysfunctional literacy?

This was on the KTRK ABC-13 news site, regarding yesterday's stabbing.

http://boards.go.com/cgi/KTRK/request.d ... s&id=54002

hello .. im a studnet at clear brook high school and i was wondering if n e one from clear brook is readin dis .. can you plezzz find out n e information about this b/c i think i know one of the students and i would like to know if n e of ya'll have n e information ...plez email me at Shortyouttacb06@aol.com ..your thinkin why am i not at school .. well b/c i didnt get a chance to go today ... thank you very much ...christie C


Didn't get a chance to go to school today??? I'm thinking someone needs to be DARN SURE she gets her butt to school!
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#2 Postby southerngale » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:23 pm

Geesh! I'm with you GD!!
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#3 Postby j » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:27 pm

**reading dis**.... this says it all. Lets see if we can imitate our favorite stupid thug rap stars
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#4 Postby weatherluvr » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:30 pm

Sad to say, but this looks like about 3/4 of the job applications that are submitted to me.
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#5 Postby stormraiser » Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:39 pm

Geez, Louise. Give me a break. And they think they will be going far by getting into that trash?
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#6 Postby Rainband » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:23 pm

weatherluvr wrote:Sad to say, but this looks like about 3/4 of the job applications that are submitted to me.
I agree and sometimes the application are crumpled :roll:
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#7 Postby petal*pusher » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:45 pm

Sadly....welcome to what is often pawned off as "literacy" in our school systems..... :cry:

There are some GREAT kids coming thru the educational system that have been nurtured extremely well by both teachers AND parents! They come to school well-prepared, excited to learn new things, with good attitudes, and have learned basic skills that will propel them forward when they graduate!

Unfortunately, there are way too many who "fall thru the cracks" and repeatedly get put up into the next school year without being able to function/perform correctly. I see it daily, and it breaks my heart. I often wonder what that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th grade teacher was thinking!!

My job is in a Vocational School classroom, so we get a large variety of students in from about 20 different school systems. Most of the kids are 16, 17, and 18. Many have been "cushioned" from the real world by well-intentioned educators and parents whose expectations have been lowered........and the results are quite sad, to say the least.

I HAVE noticed a recent trend, however!! In the last 4 or 5 years, Home Schooled kids have been attending our Vocational Center.....I'm REALLY impressed with those that have been in our class!

As long as parents ACCEPT the education their children are getting.....it will remain the same :( ......p
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#8 Postby David » Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:08 pm

I don't type like this... sometimes I do though.. but not in situations like that!!!!!
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#9 Postby furluvcats » Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:20 pm

I was waiting for my children to finish some state testing at a local school today. While waiting in the hallway, I observed 2 little tiny third grade boys that had been asked to leave the computer lab and stand outside of the classroom door, rapping the entire 25 minutes I waited. I tried to listen to them, and could not understand anything at all that they were saying! They sure used alot of hand "signals" in their rapping tho...scares me... and this is an education?
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#10 Postby OtherHD » Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:33 pm

furluvcats wrote:They sure used alot of hand "signals" in their rapping tho...scares me... and this is an education?


Ugh, I know what you mean. Forgive me for straying off topic a bit but speaking of hand signals, one thing I'm seeing a LOT around school is crotch grabbing. WHY?? And it's not just while rapping either. They walk down the hallways doing it. Is it to make statement? Does it hurt? Why don't the teachers tell them to stop grabbing themselves?
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#11 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:29 pm

Sometimes, I don't think they're actually grabbing their crotch. I think they're grabbing their pants to pull them up (at least, that's how it appears to me), since some kids seem to like wearing jeans so low that the crotch is at their knees. It looks stupid though -- the way they're wearing them and they way they're pulling them up.
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#12 Postby azskyman » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:50 pm

Taking shortcuts should be something you do AFTER learning the right way, the correct way, and the literate way, of saying things.

I'm not a big fan of e-mail and IM lingo shortcuts...one of the reasons I don't join in too often. Can't keep up with it all.

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#13 Postby blizzard » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:54 pm

"no child left behind".....what a crock of S#!+
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#14 Postby JCT777 » Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:56 am

This is just another sad sign of the times.
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#15 Postby GulfBreezer » Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:01 am

Well, I will say that my 19 year old is an "A" student in college but when I get emails from him, they are all in lower case and many abbreviations. I think it is b/c he is in a hurry and knows that I am the one reading it. Alot of these habits come from instant messaging. There is a whole new language there and I don't think it reflects on their intellect. It looks stupid to us because we can't read it :) But my 13 year old can have some very intelligent conversations on AIM and use a language that I cannot decipher and absolutley no punctuation, but he also makes "A"'s in English...........go figure.
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#16 Postby southerngale » Fri Jan 30, 2004 3:42 pm

blizzard wrote:"no child left behind".....what a crock of S#!+


Biting my tongue! lol
You can't blame Bush for this.
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#17 Postby timNms » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:26 pm

"Unfortunately, there are way too many who "fall thru the cracks" and repeatedly get put up into the next school year without being able to function/perform correctly. I see it daily, and it breaks my heart. I often wonder what that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th grade teacher was thinking!!"


As a former elementary teacher, (3rd grade for several years) I can say that it isn't always the teachers' fault that those kids can't read or perform on grade level.
Two years ago I had 25 3rd graders. Of those 25, one was on oxygen, one had a shunt in his head and was on ritalin, one had to be tube fed, one had to be cahterized to urinate, and one had cerebral palsy. Keep in mind, this is a REGULAR ED classroom. On top of those medical problems, I had 5 kids on kindergarten reading level, 5 or 6 on first grade reading level, several on 2nd grade reading level, one or 2 on grade level and one above grade level. I had 3 on ritalin (and believe me, they needed it!) They'd come in in the mornings bouncing off the walls. For about the first hour of the morning, my time was spent keeping those 3 in their seats until their meds took effect. By noon, that dose had worn off and it was a repeat of the early morn until their 2nd dose began to work. Keep in mind, I was dealing with all of these problems WITHOUT ANY HELP! I had no assistant teacher.
When I attempted to group the students and place them in reading material that was appropriate for their reading level, the principal blew a fuse and told me that I could not place them in anything other than the 3rd grade reading series. Go figure. I'm still waiting for her to explain to me how in this world those kids were going to comprehend what they attempted to read in that 3rd grade series when every other word was one they couldn't pronounce, let alone understand!
So, there I was with the majority of my class struggling to read and comprehend on 3rd grade level when in fact, they should have been reading material that was appropriate for their comprehension levels. (Not to mention the fact that the child that was ABOVE grade level suffered too, because he was "being held back" by having to stay in a 3rd grade reading series.)
Fortunately for the child with cerebral palsy, his mother got smart and pulled him out of the public school system and placed him in a private school that was geared toward workign with students with his condition. She spent a couple of days helping me in the classroom, then told me that she didn't know how I managed to survive in there from one day to the next. That was one of the most horrible years I'd ever had. Don't get me wrong. I loved the kids, but I was as frustrated as they were because I knew in my heart that I was doing them NO GOOD because my hands were tied. IF the principal had let me work with them on THEIR level, they could have experienced more success. At the end of the year, I had about 5 that were to repeat 3rd grade....guess what? NONE of them did because miraculously over the summer, they got smart and was moved on to 4th grade! Go figure.
Another case in point....a few yrs before, I had a student that failed reading and math. I kept in touch with his parent throughout the school year, telling them that he was not going to pass. Funny how some parents only hear what they want to. At the end of the year, the kid had an "F" in Math and Reading. The principal MADE me change his last nine weeks' reading grade to a 98 so that he could pass the year in reading with a 70 average!! They sent him to summerschool and he failed math again! The parents moved to another district, so I don't know if he repeated 3rd grade.
To summarize....it's not always the teachers' fault that those kids get to highschool and can't function on grade level. It's the system. The administration doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the parents and say NO, your child is not going to move on until he/she is capable of functioning on the next level. I find it sad that it's not the powers that be that suffer, but it's the children who, in the long run, loose!
In MS we have begun to hear about "Teacher accountability". It's another ploy to place the blame on the teachers. I had a problem with the principal during my last year at the school I was just talking about. Around the middle of March, he called me into the office and said "We're going to put you on an improvement plan because your students' test scores were low last year". I asked if he'd looked at all the testing data. We were doing the Barksdale grant the year before and had done some testing that was not state generated. My test data at the beginning of the year showed who was below, on, and above grade level. At the end of that year, we repeated the test to show progress made. ALL of my student showed gains. However, there was no prior state testing data to compare to since we'd just started a new state test. SO, their "Improvement plan" was based on absolutely nothing. I called the state department of ed and discussed it with them and they said the district had NO basis for their decission. I told the principal about it and turned in my resignation the same day.
Didn't mean to ramble on, but that comment struck a nerve. Don't blame the teachers for the lack of skills some of the students have. It's not always the teachers' fault!
Side note...after leaving that district, I was working with a great principal and in a great elem. school. Unfortunately, that first year is when I began to have problems with depression and eventually had to resign.
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#18 Postby petal*pusher » Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:45 pm

Tim......I sure didn't mean to upset you! You're RIGHT......and I apologize!

We also have had challenges with administration making decisions that we feel are not in the best interest of our students. Letting kids think that attendance, grades, attitudes, and work habits have varying degrees of importance......depending on WHO you are is.....ultimately, most harmful for the students. There are simply different rules for Special Needs students......and it often is not fair for them.....nor any of the other students. Most instructors will bend over backwards to help ANY child succeed.....but I know too well the frustration of decisions that are made that are out of our control.

We have a very high number of Special Needs students also. Most try to reach our high expectations.....but there are a few that seem to have become used to being "rescued"! Sometimes their absences far exceed the limit......sometimes they are only graded on a "pass/fail"......unlike the remainder of the class. When I first started teaching 17 years ago, I came from 25 years in the industry.....I was very surprised at the "variety" of students coming to our class! When I questioned this, I was told that "we were a safe environment" for many of the kids........many had absolutely no intention (or in no way could ever be involved) in the vocation we were teaching! We have had some of our Sp. Needs kids be successful.....perhaps not in all in THIS particular vocation, but with skills that have allowed them to be productive. Many of our "regular" kids have done very well also. This doesn't mean we don't have some of those same kids you had.....they're just older now!

I've had chairs thrown at me, VERY unflattering words directed at me, and even a knife drawn on me!! You're right about the challenges of those on powerful drugs.....and then there are those on the illegal ones! We have 4 pregnant girls this year (below average).....and some with personal challenges that break my heart.......but, again.......I do believe we have become that "safe environment" for many of them.

I feel badly that you have left the teaching proffession.....I think you have the committment that is needed.....but you're sure right......sometimes decisions that are made are NOT what the teacher (who knows the student's accomplishments/challenges/failures better than anyone) prefers........p :wink:
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#19 Postby timNms » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:35 pm

petal*pusher,
You didn't upset me. I just get aggrivated when I hear "What did those teachers in "such and such" grade do?" Or "Why did those teachers pass those kids". I must admit, that I used to be guilty of doing that until I had been teaching for a couple of years and found out that most often, it wasn't the teachers, but the administration who made the final decisions.
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#20 Postby timNms » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:47 pm

petal*pusher, something else that I've often wondered about....
Why in the world doesn't our education system realize that there are some students that will never be the sharpest crayons in the box...that is, they'll never be great academic students, but perhaps if we offered vocational training that centered around their interests, just maybe we could make a difference in their lives.
I realize many school districts have "vo-tech" centers, but that isn't what I'm talking about. We need classes that teach real-life skills...job skills, people skills, how to fill out a job application the RIGHT way :) I could go on and on here.
Maybe I need to start a new topic.
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