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WOOF WOOF big dog DEC 23 -- The DT MECS still looks goo

#1 Postby Guest » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:16 pm

Day 8-10 EURO screaming BIG DOG....
woof woof

possible big hit for many.... nice confluence zone in PJ
nice - NAO torugh axis in STJ is neutral over mississippi valley
some ridging on west coast
no SE ridge Low hts..


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#2 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:31 pm

Damn, you're fast, DT ... before I could even update my own site ...

And the timing of the system could very well indeed make many happy just in time for Christmas ...
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#3 Postby cjh034 » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:41 pm

DT or Stormsfury can either of you guys explain to the uneducated (me) what this system might bring and what areas it would effect? I realize that it is a long way off just ballpark estimate would be fine.
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#4 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:53 pm

cjh034 wrote:DT or Stormsfury can either of you guys explain to the uneducated (me) what this system might bring and what areas it would effect? I realize that it is a long way off just ballpark estimate would be fine.


My interpretation ...

MAJOR overrunning event ...
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#5 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:25 pm

Not to mention, Omega-Style Blocking in the ATL (NEG NAO) and NO ridging in Spain ... after what could be a significant overrunning ... the potential for a BIG storm system is quite high with the 3 day average depicted by the ECMWF.

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#6 Postby Valkhorn » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:18 pm

Finally, the Euro has gotten this in it's forecast window. I hate having to rely on the GFS for potential storm systems past 10 days since the GFS is horrible at long range winter storms.

Now that the Euro has got it (which I think is pretty accurate) maybe the GFS will get it's act together later.

Most definately something is on the horizon :)
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#7 Postby Valkhorn » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:20 pm

Not to mention JB is going to have a field day with this tomorrow morning in his column.
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#8 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:21 pm

Valkhorn wrote:Not to mention JB is going to have a field day with this tomorrow morning in his column.


That is if he jumps away from using the UKMET ... :lol: :lol:
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#9 Postby Valkhorn » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:39 pm

Hahaha, if he get's one sniff at arctic air he'll go for it. He even agrees with the GFS if it's in the right direction, but don't we all... IF the GFS is in the right direction at that long range.

In fact the GFS has been doing horribly past one week's forecast.
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#10 Postby WEATHERGURU » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:43 pm

Looking at the 00Z GFS it shows a pretty mild time around the week of Christmas. Just last night they had it much colder and stormier. Is the GFS that horrible compared to the EURO? Do you think There is a chance of some snow for us here in Detroit for on Christmas? Thanks...
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#11 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:49 pm

WEATHERGURU wrote:Looking at the 00Z GFS it shows a pretty mild time around the week of Christmas. Just last night they had it much colder and stormier. Is the GFS that horrible compared to the EURO? Do you think There is a chance of some snow for us here in Detroit for on Christmas? Thanks...


Well, using the op GFS out past 84 hours is a dangerous proposition ... let alone 10 days out ...
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#12 Postby Stormsfury » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:52 pm

Valkhorn wrote:Hahaha, if he get's one sniff at arctic air he'll go for it. He even agrees with the GFS if it's in the right direction, but don't we all... IF the GFS is in the right direction at that long range.

In fact the GFS has been doing horribly past one week's forecast.


Yep, on both accounts ...

JB sells subscriptions with hype and explaining possibilities ... even if it has only a 0.00001% chance of verifying and 2) the I-95 Corridor Bias ...

I will admit ... the discussions that I've seen posted by some (I do not subscribe or even bother to hit the AccuWx site for obvious reasons), but he can whip out a very exciting discussion for the most boring weather ... he's good with words ...

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#13 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:00 am

Strangely enough I have a Accuweather pro account but I never get billed. I got it two years ago, and have had it ever since.

JB has improved his track record a lot over the last couple of years though and he's beginning to nail more and more things.

Of course the term "caveat emptor" applies wherever you go.

As to the GFS and it's warm crap, I don't buy it since the pattern does not dictate that. The pattern points to the right direction, and until the last minute the GFS will not catch on. It's pretty decent within 48 hours of something, but beyond that it's miserable.

Models really sometimes have to be taken with huge grains of salt. Look at the patterns, judge for yourself, and if you know a model is wrong and out on a limb, dismiss it :)
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#14 Postby WEATHERGURU » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:00 am

Thanks :)
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#15 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:07 am

Actually I'll place my bets on the table with this. I would be surprised with this pattern if we DIDN'T get any arctic surge of air at the end of this month. I would also be very suprised if the GFS past day 4 or 5 was even halfway right. This warm surge of air it's forecasting is rediculous - especially for the extremity of it.

Two days ago the GFS had a trend, but today proves it was just chance that it got the pattern right. Today it's totally wrong, and tomorrow it may be back to the opposite and brutal cold, who knows, and who cares out that far. The pattern will tell you what is going to happen :)

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#16 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:14 am

You know the more and more I look at it, the scarier it becomes... That's no ridge in spain, that's a trough, and one HELL of a trough. Plus the trough in Japan, the wonderful Aleutian Low (bells should be ringing already with that), and JB's classic trinket "the trough east of the caspian" can only point to one thing...

...as we say in the south that ain't no warm air down the road...

Wow... the blocking over the Atlantic too. That is really going to pile things up if that verifies.

Who would have thought, we had a textbook category 5 Hurricane Isabel a few months ago, and two textbook Nor'Easters within a week or two of each other. To me this pattern is textbook for arctic intrusion.

Simply marvelous...
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#17 Postby Anonymous » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:21 am

ALL I can say is,

BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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#18 Postby Guest » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:24 am

Stormsfury wrote:Damn, you're fast, DT ... before I could even update my own site ...

And the timing of the system could very well indeed make many happy just in time for Christmas ...


Only way this will make me happy is if it does the IMPOSSIBLE.........Right up the east slopes of the Apps from the Gulf.................Meaning a 12+ event for ME. :lol:
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#19 Postby Anonymous » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:31 am

What would make ME happy is a nice coastal storm, with just the right track and enough cold air to give me 12 to 24 inches of snow, then I want that Siberian Intrusion to hit me extremely hard with 60 mph winds and highs only around ZERO degrees with blowing and drifting of the snow, and I'll be outside with a shovel in my hands and a fervent prayer in my heart for more snow, high winds and extreme cold.


As I always say,

BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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#20 Postby Lehigh » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:24 am

There is talk only at this time............

It's really to far out to really say anything but I did post a thread
about the 23rd of Dec.

I myself is still unsure.

We will see.............. :P
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