GIRL EXPELLED 1 year for having 1 advil. govt school idiocy

#22 Postby **george_r_1961** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:39 pm

I agree the punishment for possession of one advil is excessive. But zero tolerance means zero tolerance..period. This young lady knew the rules im sure. School administrators may not always be able to discern an over the counter drug from an illicit one..especially if its in pill form. Abuse of illegal drugs often starts with abuse of common OTC meds..not sure if advil is among them though. You can bet Nyquil is though along with many allergy meds. But expulsion is not an appropiate penalty..nor is any kind of suspension. For OTC meds when there is no evidence of abuse a conference with the parents along with detention should suffice. I know im gonna get flamed but if ya'll havent noticed there is a drug problem in our schools..in order to eradicate it drastic measures are needed...

WXBUFFJIM · #23 Postby **WXBUFFJIM** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:40 pm

I think the use of illegal drugs at schools should be the main focus here. I think alot of folks tend to use that.

Jim

rainstorm · #24 Postby **rainstorm** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:44 pm

there is a drug problem, george. but there is another problem as well. govt control of schools. if i had kids i would do anything to keep them out of govt schools

Derek Ortt · #25 Postby **Derek Ortt** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:59 pm

A line has to be drawn somewhere. If this zero tolerance is not enforced, the next case would have a legitimate lawsuit if they were expelled as the rules were not enforced blindly, as they are supposed to be. It is very simple, don't bring the advil to school. If you break the rules, be prepared for the consequences. If you need one, do what I always did, take it before going to school. How hard is that?

chadtm80 · #26 Postby **chadtm80** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:07 pm

IM with derek.. Rules are Rules.. Zero tolerance means ZERO TOLERANCE My school was the same way.> Zero Tolerance.. Couldnt have so much as one asprin.. You COULD HOWEVER set it up through the front office/Clinic to have some kept on file and given to the student ONLY if parents call in with permision etc... The principal is enforcing the rules.. Why did she have it? Why didnt she take it before hand, or why didnt she go through the proper channels.. The rule was set up before the incadent.. She knows she wasnt "Suppose" to have it.. Is it a big deal? Prob not.. BUT did she break the rule? Yes.. Remember the school also has to Cover there own arse.. Who is to say she didnt have 20 of them and took them all but 1? Who knows.. But imo the Rules were broken so she got punished.. Harsh? Yes.. But broken none the same..

Ok, im done.. Flame on now :wink:

lol

therock1811 · #27 Postby **therock1811** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:20 pm

chadtm80 wrote:IM with derek.. Rules are Rules.. Zero tolerance means ZERO TOLERANCE My school was the same way.> Zero Tolerance.. Couldnt have so much as one asprin.. You COULD HOWEVER set it up through the front office/Clinic to have some kept on file and given to the student ONLY if parents call in with permision etc... The principal is enforcing the rules.. Why did she have it? Why didnt she take it before hand, or why didnt she go through the proper channels.. The rule was set up before the incadent.. She knows she wasnt "Suppose" to have it.. Is it a big deal? Prob not.. BUT did she break the rule? Yes.. Remember the school also has to Cover there own arse.. Who is to say she didnt have 20 of them and took them all but 1? Who knows.. But imo the Rules were broken so she got punished? Harsh? Yes.. But broken none the same..

Ok, im done.. Flame on now lol

EXACTLY Chad...............Zero means Zero, not 100% tolerated.......

#28 Postby **streetsoldier** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:17 pm

This is just as UN-enforceable as the infamous "no-touch" policy (yeah, right...as if one can enforce a school rule against the VERY natural, limits-setting, socio/experimental behavior in teenaged boys and girls?).

Going WAY too far, IHMO.

stormchazer · #29 Postby **stormchazer** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:56 pm

Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense

breeze · #30 Postby **breeze** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:02 pm

Jeez - an Advil.

God forbid it had been one of Mummy's
Lortabs...

Our politically-correct zero-tolerance shove-our-
$#@!-down-your-throat society needs to sit
back and take a Xanax and chill-out! Everyone's
so blamed stiff and freaked-out over 9/11, they
tend to forget that a teenage girl can possibly
have a headache/menstrual cramps and need
a frickin' Advil!

Jeez!!

azsnowman · #31 Postby **azsnowman** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:46 am

breeze wrote:Jeez - an Advil.

God forbid it had been one of Mummy's
Lortabs...

Our politically-correct zero-tolerance shove-our-
$#@!-down-your-throat society needs to sit
back and take a Xanax and chill-out! Everyone's
so blamed stiff and freaked-out over 9/11, they
tend to forget that a teenage girl can possibly
have a headache/menstrual cramps and need
a frickin' Advil!

Jeez!!

You took the words right outta my mouth Annette 8-)

Just ONE more reason for home schooling!

Dennis 8-)

#32 Postby **streetsoldier** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:20 am

Why should the school staff take Xanax, when they dispense (YES, they DO) Ritalin like candy to any child they consider "troubled"? Never mind the complications of future sterility, thyroid function collapse, etc. if it "keeps 'em quiet" today? :grrr:

Lindaloo · #33 Postby **Lindaloo** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:59 am

I understand that rules are rules. BUT, I did not get to vote on this zero tolerance rule. It should have been put to a vote because I do pay school taxes.

I had to get a "Medical Form" from the principal, take it to my doc to have him sign it just so my kids could take a Tylenol at school. I bought 2 bottles each of Tylenol and Tylenol Sinus for my kids. When it was time for them to take it for a headache, there was none left. I had a problem with that. That medicine was for my children, not for the whole school to use.

I am one against the zero tolerance rules.

JCT777 · #34 Postby **JCT777** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:02 pm

The problem with taking an Advil before you go to school as that you may develop the symptoms after you leave for school (such as a headache). I would not have a problem with having to report any medication that you have to the school nurse (or someone else in authority). I think my biggest problem is kicking a kid out of school for a year for having 1 Advil. That is like sentencing someone who stole a pack of gum to 40 years in jail because we have a "zero tolerance theft" law. IMO - it is not black and white. Having 1 Advil should not be equal to having an entire bottle of prescription pills, which should not be equal to having any amount of illegal drugs.

Danaus · #35 Postby **Danaus** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:28 pm

If that district is anything like our district was BEFORE 9/11, the only way she'ld have been able to carry a (maybe) needed but better if unused medication would have been to sneak it in. Our disticts policy stated that the doctor had to sign a permission slip giving the exact dosage and time it was to be administered. If the child didn't really need the medicine, they were made to take it anyway. Our district has no exceptions for an as needed basis. No exceptions for cramps, sudden headaches, sore throat, or even asthma attacks. The paper had to spell out exactly what dates the med was to be given and even then there was no guarantee the child would receive the medication. Our doctor charges an office visit charge to 'prescribe' Midol or Advil for cramps, or any other otc drug the child might need during the school day. I know from experience with my daughter that school officials do NOT administer medication as per doctors orders. My daughter required milk to be given with her lactose medication but the school officials would not allow her to have milk, only water. I took my son off school property to give him medication on a couple occasions because I didn't want to fight their policies.

Lindaloo · #36 Postby **Lindaloo** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:47 pm

streetsoldier wrote:Why should the school staff take Xanax, when they dispense (YES, they DO) Ritalin like candy to any child they consider "troubled"? Never mind the complications of future sterility, thyroid function collapse, etc. if it "keeps 'em quiet" today?

How right you are!! My daughter used to be on Ritalin. It was given twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the afternoon. This was BEFORE I wised up to Ritalin. I loathed the idea of the school giving my child medicine, especially Ritalin. I pulled her out of the public school system. I then took her to a specialist and he ran tests on her. Turns out she was not ADD but ADHD. Big difference. She is now on CONCERTA a non-stimulant. It is given once a day before school and the school does not even have to know she is taking it. Which I like that.

Another thing... the school kept picking on my daughter, just to get at me to have her put on Ritalin. Now, MS law says that the school can have no part whether a child is on Ritalin or not. It is soley up top the parent.

rainstorm · #37 Postby **rainstorm** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:41 pm

YEA LINDA . a new study is out. kids who were on ritalin are found to be helpless to cope with life as adults.

blizzard · #38 Postby **blizzard** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:29 pm

StormCrazyIowan wrote:What a crock!! This is the kind of @#$% that infuriates me about this world!! That poor young lady had a freakin non-illegal, over-the-counter, my 9-y-o cousin-could-buy-it Advil and has to lose her right to education for a year?!?! What gives!!!

Shoot!! Had they checked my purse I'd have been expelled for 5 years!! I went everywhere prepared!! Aspirin, ibupfrofen, benadryl, cold pills, stomach pills and my prescription Singulair!! And I didn't use no nurse to "administer" my pills for me!! LOL, matter of fact check my purse right now, and you'll find the same darn thing, except I have Claratin and PMS pills as well!

Hey Jacki, time to take one of those pills now, don't ya think....lol

I agree with most of the posters here. Way out of line for them to suspend her for a full year. Fiond Marijuana, and they probably would give her a few weeks off with re-hab. That's jsut how our messed up society is getting to be.

mf_dolphin · #39 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:53 pm

Common sense once again gets lost..... :-(

stormy · #40 Postby **stormy** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:05 am

breeze wrote:Jeez - an Advil.

God forbid it had been one of Mummy's
Lortabs...

Our politically-correct zero-tolerance shove-our-
$#@!-down-your-throat society needs to sit
back and take a Xanax and chill-out! Everyone's
so blamed stiff and freaked-out over 9/11, they
tend to forget that a teenage girl can possibly
have a headache/menstrual cramps and need
a frickin' Advil!

Jeez!!

u r too funny, my daughter just laughed and said she would have been kicked out for 3 year. she has to carry around advil cause of head achs. MF so true. but we dont know that she remembered that she had it in her purse. it may have been there from the weekend and she is still a child, she may have forgotten.

GIRL EXPELLED 1 year for having 1 advil. govt school idiocy

Punishment excessive....but

My opinion

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