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Grading time for who said what with the storm!

#1 Postby Guest » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:53 pm

This is for those who just didnt forecast for thier backyards and or towns...........More or less those who covered Whole regions +....

Well for myself i give me a C+.

Busted badly in parts of VA/WV and near the DC area on the SE side and out this way in my location as well.
Hit pretty good in the rest of the MA up into the NE however i under estimated the snows farther up around the boston area and North........And did well just to my north and west into Indiana out towards Iowa.

DT i give a B+ he hit pretty good in most areas except here (which he did say was a tough call)..........Only small bust area was in VA/WV which seems to be where alot of us busted.................Great Job DT........
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#2 Postby Anonymous » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:55 pm



Come on now!!! Fess up folks!!! lol

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#3 Postby JCT777 » Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:06 pm

I can only give myself a partial grade, since the storm is not done yet in New England. Thus far, I give myself a B-. Once all the snow is done, I will try to find a total storm accumulation map and compare it to the map I created.
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Gave it the 'ol college try

#4 Postby Scott_inVA » Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:51 pm

Some snips from the email updates I do

12/2:
Rain...possibly mixing with sleet possible for the region on Thursday, especially in the morning... This may be followed by a significant storm Friday and Saturday from the Ohio Valley into the Northeast. Accumulating snow is expected in Virginia.

B- b/c I blew it in the Ohio Valley. Timing, location and P-types good for in the balance of discussion.

12/3:
I certainly am not forecasting a couple on non-events, but my opinion is these will be modest storms in our area.

Western NC could start as light snow in the morning and change to freezing rain while precip overspreads Virginia-MD-DE-DC and PA later Thursday and into Friday morning. I am generally thinking lower amounts on Thursday than NWS forecasts, but this is done with low confidence.

I'm not ready to say it's hammer-time for Long Island up into southern New England...but if this does develop as a true Nor'easter, batten the hatches down along the coast and get ready for big snow and wind on Saturday night and Sunday.


A- b/c the Low developed faster than anticipated by me.

12/4:

Low pressure is developing over Cape Hatteras, signaling and end of Storm #1 and the start of #2. This coastal Low/wannabe Nor'easter will strengthen and pull cold air over the Mid-Atlantic, so Friday night temps will drop and snow will begin. Sufficient cold air will be in place to make this a nearly total snow event (except along the coast south of the Eastern Shore). Saturday: light snow central and western Virginia...accumulation expected...3 to 5 inches looks good. Windy.

F Low didn't form there, Friday night temps didn't drop here and we had no snow.

As the storm heads north, dry air will fill in behind it and I believe much of the region south of Martinsville to Farmville to Virginia Beach will see only slight amounts if any precipitation. However, "Big Dog" snow will fall roughly along a line from Winchester, VA to Providence, RI...totals exceeding seven inches will be common. The Pocono Mountains and eastern PA may be digging out of a foot or more when all is done. The intensifying coastal storm will drive gale...possibly storm force winds into the coast with heavy surf, vivid whitecaps and erosion from the Chesapeake to the Cape. Blustery winds will reach well inland to the mountains, gusting to over 35MPH. Be advised: winds of 40-55MPH should be expected along the coast as the storm bombs out and moves northeast towards New England. Heavy snow in winds of these speeds produce blizzard conditions!!!

B+ This worked out but the Low was more north and +SN north of my projection so a generous B+ is given.

My overall score on these two events: C+ and a teacher comment: "Good effort but needs to work on details".

Scott
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#5 Postby Guest » Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:57 pm

Well it seems i did forget someone else as well who pretty much hit in most areas from this storm and thats RNS who i would give a A- all he was slightly off on was out this way which of course is one of the worst friggin areas to forecast for anyone.........He did however nail my area itself pretty good................He was the first as well to see this system getting farther up the coast then anyone else had said including myself............

KUDOS to RNS on a Job VERY WELL DONE!!!! Who i will add Stuck to his guns thru out the whole event from early last week unlike alot of others and as seen handled (Verified) this storm better then anyone else that i have seen mention this storm...............
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#6 Postby RNS » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:02 pm

thanks alot king...and i should be able to update the accumulation verifications soon across southern new england.
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#7 Postby Guest » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:13 pm

Yea cant really count them in Southern New England yet untill that can be done..............All in all even without that still a dam good call!!!!
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#8 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:28 am

Sounds like to me a category 3 snow impact on the kocin nesis scale is one heck of a grade to look at. That's exactly what Paul Kocin pinpointed early this morning. This was one heck of storm and still continues to rage near Boston and the cape this morning. 15-25 inches of snow is an underestimate. Some areas will see up to 30 inches before all said and done.

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#9 Postby StormCrazyIowan » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:41 am

Men admitting mistakes?!?! :lol: ROFL I am sure y'all know what topic I just came from! :wink:

Congratulations and much appreciation to everyone who forecasted, even those who didn't do so hot- we can't nail them all- or weather would be boring!! :D

LOL Scott, I liked your "teacher's comment" !
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#10 Postby Stephanie » Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:20 am

I'd say great job all around!

We all know how fickle these storms are, but given that this storm had been tracked and discussed for at least a week prior to it developing, I'd say my hats off to all of you! You were on top of the fact that it was going to be two storms - a one-two punch and were raising the totals long before the knuckle-heads at Mt. Holly did.

For me, if the storm developed further south, the totals would've been much higher. It didn't start to get it's act together until it was off the NJ coast and by then the wrap around snow was too far nother for me.
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#11 Postby RNS » Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:44 pm

Yes...I agree WFO Mount Holly did an excellent job with this system. The only thing that I would like to clarify is that IMO it weas NOT two storms. It was two parts of one larger system.
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#12 Postby JCT777 » Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:53 pm

My final grade is a C-. Did pretty well in my area, in southern New Jersey and down through the DC/Baltimore and Northern VA area. Also surprisingly did pretty good in Ohio, and not bad in western PA. But I overforecasted amounts in West Virginia, as well as central VA and central/northeast PA. And I badly underforecasted amounts in most of northern NJ, NYC, Long Island and throughout much of New England - particularly VT, NH and Maine.

There is always next time, though.
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