2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

[Teban54]

Stating the obvious here but with Barry it's gonna depend on how much people associate the flooding with Barry and how many people are actually killed. It has some parallels with Dora and the Hawaii wildfire, although I think Barry is more involved in the flooding that Dora was with the fire. Unlike with Dora this won't be the worst natural disaster in the state and people might generally move on from it after a few months even with the loss of life.

If anything, I'd say that Barry is more similar to Lee 2011, which caused flooding in NE US as a remnant and became a billion-dollar storm (which was still relatively rare back then). Lee wasn't retired, likely because the coverage and discussions about its flooding were not really associated with the storm's name.

Dora was really an odd-ball, IMO. Speculation about Dora having an impact on the Hawaiian wildfires was unusually widely covered, far more than an average case of "storm impacts areas far from landfall". This is in part due to how severe and anomalous the impacts are in Hawaii.

Closest modern analogies to Dora are probably Helene (flooding in western NC/SC) and Ida (flooding in NY), although both were already worthy of retirements in the states they landfalled in.

[aaaaaa]

if hurricane dora was retired for wildfire in hawaii, i think tropical storm barry should be retired if really tropical storm barry remnant moisture caused Guadalupe tragedy

[wwizard]

Nobody, other than us weather nerds, are associating Barry with the Texas floods. The name Barry is never mentioned in the discussion. 5 years from now no one is saying remember when Barry flooded the Texas Hill Country?

[Category5Kaiju]

Wow, just wow. I've been reading some of the recent news about the Texas floods, and it unfortunately keeps getting worse by the day with more and more deaths being confirmed. This is looking likely to be the US's deadliest hydrological disaster in years.

Unfortunately, I don't think many in the general public are going to associate "Barry" with these floods, and I don't know how well the media is portraying this to have been tropical-related as well. Because of that, I don't think the name is going to be retired (or at least I'd be pleasantly surprised if it is). However, from a meteorological standpoint, Barry is a very strong candidate for retirement (as well as Debby from last year).

I know there are some comparisons being brought up with Dora in 2023, but I do think that this may not be a good comparison as there may have been some additional underlying factors to the decision to nix that name besides the wildfires, including to avoid confusion with retired Atlantic Dora that happened in 1964, as well as the EPAC's general lower bars for retirement than the Atlantic (for instance, if John happened on the Atlantic side with its 30 deaths and 2 billion dollars in damage, then I highly doubt it would've been retired; Karl 2010 caused 22 deaths and 4 billion dollars in damage but wasn't retired).

[Ulf]

Tropical Storm Wipha (Crising) is the first candidate for possible retirement for the WPAC basin this year with 34 killed and 7 missing along with $177 million damage in the Philippines.

The chance this actually gets axed however is between low and toss up since it was not a direct Philippines landfall similar to Gaemi (Carina) last year. FWIW, Saola (Goring) in 2023 got retired for doing much less damage and only 3 deaths in the country so who knows.

[Category5Kaiju]

So, here's a question I have for ya'll; would the heavy flooding and displacement in the Cape Verde islands already warrant possible retirement of "Erin," even if the storm decides to harmlessly curve on out to sea in the coming days?

[Ulf]

So, here's a question I have for ya'll; would the heavy flooding and displacement in the Cape Verde islands already warrant possible retirement of "Erin," even if the storm decides to harmlessly curve on out to sea in the coming days?

I believe there has never been a storm getting retired for impact in Cape Verde alone. Also, very few storms actually caused deaths in Cape Verde.

Tropical Storm Fran (1984) caused between 29 to 32 fatalities there and that is the highest by far.

Hurricane Fred in 2015 was the most easternmost forming hurricane and placed all of the country under hurricane warning for the first time in its history. It caused 9 deaths and $2.5 million in damage

Erin caused 9 deaths with maybe 5 missing and $10 million in damage which might be a lot for a small developing country. Not sure.

So I would put its retirement at a low 20% but it would definitely be unprecedented.

Edit: that monetary value is the amount the World Bank has allocated to Cape Verde for recovery from Erin, not the actual damage amount which is still unknown.

[MadaTheConquistador]

So, here's a question I have for ya'll; would the heavy flooding and displacement in the Cape Verde islands already warrant possible retirement of "Erin," even if the storm decides to harmlessly curve on out to sea in the coming days?

I believe there has never been a storm getting retired for impact in Cape Verde alone. Also, very few storms actually caused deaths in Cape Verde.

Tropical Storm Fran (1984) caused between 29 to 32 fatalities there and that is the highest by far.

Hurricane Fred in 2015 was the most easternmost forming hurricane and placed all of the country under hurricane warning for the first time in its history. It caused 9 deaths and $2.5 million in damage

Erin caused 9 deaths with maybe 5 missing and $10 million in damage which might be a lot for a small developing country. Not sure.

So I would put its retirement at a low 20% but it would definitely be unprecedented.

I think Erin getting retired is a possibility, but yeah it's too early to tell if it will or not. It all depends on if it makes landfall on the east coast of the U.S. or Canada, how severe the damage is in the Caribbean, or if even Cape Verde decides to request Erin for retirement depending on how severe the damage is for their standards. If Erin does happen to get retired, possible replacements include Eva, Eleanor, Evelyn, Esther, Elizabeth, Evie, Eugenia, and Edith. (I am also pretty sure some of said names were used pre-1979).

[wwizard]

It wasn’t even named when it went through the islands. I see no chance of retirement.

[Ulf]

Australia should be making retirements for their previous season in a couple months. Robyn, Zelia, and Alfred are definitely getting axed. Highly doubt Errol gets retired but since it made landfall, still a possibility.

Cyclone Alfred was supposed to be named Anthony but got changed due to the latter being the first name of the current Prime Minister.

[HurricaneRyan]

Erin could still make a legitimate run for retirement if it defies all the models and makes landfall in a significant way in the US/Canada like someone else said.

[Category5Kaiju]

Here are some interesting stats in the event Erin recurves north safely and avoids inflicting much damages on land. I also looked at the 9 Category 5 hurricanes that happened pre-1953 and, looking at damages and/or death toll, presumed that all of them were impactful enough to warrant retirement in their era had they had names.

- Erin would be the 7th Category 5 hurricane to not get its name retired. There have been 43 recorded Category 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic thus far, so this isn't exactly a common occurrence.

- Erin would fall under the "female Category 5 E curse" as of the 7 un-retired Category 5 hurricanes, 4 of them had female names that started with E (Esther, Edith, and Emily are the others).

- Erin would be the most intense Category 5 hurricane to not get its name retired (with a pressure of 915 mbar).

- Erin would be one of 5 un-retired Category 5 hurricanes to have their Category 5 status last for 6 hours or less.

[Hurricane Mike]

Here are some interesting stats in the event Erin recurves north safely and avoids inflicting much damages on land. I also looked at the 9 Category 5 hurricanes that happened pre-1953 and, looking at damages and/or death toll, presumed that all of them were impactful enough to warrant retirement in their era had they had names.

- Erin would be the 7th Category 5 hurricane to not get its name retired. There have been 43 recorded Category 5 hurricanes in the Atlantic thus far, so this isn't exactly a common occurrence.

- Erin would fall under the "female Category 5 E curse" as of the 7 un-retired Category 5 hurricanes, 4 of them had female names that started with E (Esther, Edith, and Emily are the others).

- Erin would be the most intense Category 5 hurricane to not get its name retired (with a pressure of 915 mbar).

- Erin would be one of 5 un-retired Category 5 hurricanes to have their Category 5 status last for 6 hours or less.

I don't think Erin will be retired. It is ironic that sometimes the more memorable storm is not the one that warranted retirement.