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Wikipedia - current storms, older ones, and WikiWeather

#1 Postby Hurricanehink » Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:59 pm

On this crazy day as we get into the heart of another wild hurricane season, I wanted to do a semi-regular post, advertising and giving a bit of a background report to Wikipedia's weather articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Beryl_(2024)

First off, yes, of course there's an article for Beryl. One quick thing you might notice (or not). Due to a discussion, there will not be the current storm section, which also means that the article won't have to be updated every advisory. That's what the NHC is for, or in the other basins, the other respective warning centers.

In case you're curious about other activities, then you might be interested to know that there is now a WikiProject for all weather articles, with various sub-projects for the different weather types. There is an ongoing push to have lists for every area around the world. Some of the newer ones include:
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclones_in_Indonesia
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wisconsin_hurricanes

Similarly, there are lists for tornadoes in various places, including these lists created over the last year:
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australia_tornadoes
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_tornadoes
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Alabama_tornadoes
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_tornadoes
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_tornadoes

Not every list is of the highest quality, however. But on that note, there is a new featured list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_tornadoes

I have been a Wikipedia administrator for over 15 years now, and I've worked with lots of different users, so if anyone here is interested contributing to Wikipedia, feel free to reach out to me, or you can ask here and I'll explain the process. For those who use Wikipedia, the 2024 AHS article has been edited by 153 people, the typhoon season by 28 different people, and the North Indian cyclone season by 8 different people. It's a large group of editors, but it's not infinite, and some of that work is just undoing vandalism. There's also a lot of work to be done on older and existing articles. For reference, there are 2,396 articles involving storms or seasons, which is the about half of the tropical cyclone articles on Wikipedia.

So with that, does anyone have any questions about how Wikipedia deals with tropical cyclones? And if anyone is interested, you just have to create a Wikipedia user name, then add yourself to the member list here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Members
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#2 Postby Old-TimeCane » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:38 pm

Just added myself to the list (KGCaller). Not sure yet what I can or will do to help out, but definitely interested in doing so.
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#3 Postby Xyls » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:57 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wisconsin_hurricanes


I nominate this to be the most random list on Wikipedia.
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Re: Wikipedia - current storms, older ones, and WikiWeather

#4 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:33 pm

As an update to the Wikipedia discussion, I thought I'd talk about a Wikipedian's perspective on the recent "WTF kind of storm is happening" that we all got to witness unfold over the last few weeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Beryl

In case you haven't read the article yet, there is a very detailed article on Beryl, which I published with the article title "Hurricane Beryl (2024)". It was June 30th, and it was already a major hurricane. My involvement was minimal compared to the 260 other people who contributed to the article, updating it as information unfolded across so many different areas. One of the first discussions involved the article title. Upon publishing the draft, I wasn't convinced that Beryl was more notable than the Hurricane Beryl in 2018, even though the potential was surely there as long as the storm didn't fall apart. By July 1st, when it struck St. Vincent as a Category 4 hurricane, Beryl's notability was already well-established enough that a discussion began to move Beryl to the main article title. It might sound minor to some of you, but when searching for an article, it is important to balance a recentism bias with objective notability. By July 3rd, there was a consensus to move the article title, so strong that the user closing the discussion remarked -

The result of the move request was: Moved per WP:SNOW and reasonable arguments why speedy closure is warranted.

The policy of WP:SNOW is - "If an issue has a snowball's chance in hell of being accepted by a certain process, there's no need to run it through the entire process."

Through the collective efforts of hundreds of writers, Beryl's article was updated day by day as its impacts hopped across the Caribbean. It was already a well-developed article, with a length of 2,900 words by the time Beryl made landfall. As most of you already know by know, the storm resulted in a prolific tornado outbreak, which already has its own article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Beryl_tornado_outbreak

In addition, the effects in Texas were so severe that some editors were bold and created an article specifically for Beryl's effects in Texas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Beryl_in_Texas

I bring this all up to comment on the increasingly common occurrences of these once in a lifetime storms. As a longtime Wikipedian, I witnessed how many articles evolved for significant storms, only to see a lot of them end up far too short and with a general lack of citations. Surprisingly, to me, is that Beryl's article has citations for every statement in it. I have never seen that in a Wikipedia article, and I have a theory for why that might be the case.

There was one thing that was very different from Beryl, compared to other significant storms getting articles in real time. Due to a discussion with input from a variety of editors, there was a decision that Wikipedia articles wouldn't cover current information. Looking back on it, I think that was a fantastic idea, and perhaps it redirected that editor energy for a current event, which resulted in almost a competition of adding information, rather than the competition for being the first to update for an advisory. And with each advisory having watches/warnings, pressure, wind gusts, sustained winds, and projected track, there was a lot of information to update every advisory, only for it to be rewritten later on anyway, so why not cut out the middle man.

TL;DR, you should check out one of the best Wikipedia articles of a significant storm that just dissipated.

Edit: also, if you want to help, then be sure to donate, either your time and energy to Wikipedia and help add to the storm's aftermath. Or donate to a reputable charity, or even here to Storm2k, as a thanks for keeping this board active during major storms.
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#5 Postby tolakram » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:14 am

I know this isn't you, I know there was a spirited discussion about colors, but cat 5 as purple just does not work for me. :lol:

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Re: Wikipedia - current storms, older ones, and WikiWeather

#6 Postby MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:15 am

tolakram wrote:I know this isn't you, I know there was a spirited discussion about colors, but cat 5 as purple just does not work for me. :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/CNFws3T.png

https://i.imgur.com/5WZdyDi.png


Wavelengths increase for TS-->1-->2-->3-->4 so that natural extension would be for Category 5 storms to be infrared.
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Re: Wikipedia - current storms, older ones, and WikiWeather

#7 Postby Hurricanehink » Fri Jul 11, 2025 3:36 pm

July 2025 Wikipedia update

The hurricane season is ongoing, meaning the Weather WikiProject is busy as always! Some highlights this year, broken down by basin:

Worldwide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclones_in_2025
First up, the overview article for the year. Highlights include the gallery of satellite pics of the year's strongest storms, and an organized table, sorted by month/storms/intensity/effects. Fun fact: Wikipedia has articles for storms around the entire world each year going back to 1991. Why that year? No one has gotten around to doing 1990 back to 1978, although randomly, 1977 has one. It probably helps that it was one of the quietest years on record, although global record-keeping isn't the best.

Southern Hemisphere
The year has had a handful of deadly and destructive storms this year, including Dikeledi and Jude which struck Madagascar, the Comoros, and Mozambique. They followed after Cyclone Chido back in December, which killed hundreds, maybe even thousands. It hit the French territory of Mayotte, which brought the island into the news, and even brought a visit from French President Emmanuel Macron (which led to controversy). I'm linking the storm below because it was one of the most significant recent storms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Chido

The year also featured the first officially named subtropical storm in the South-West Indian Ocean. Previously, subtropical cyclones in the region were named subtropical depressions, if they were even named at all. On April 20, 2025, history changed when Subtropical Storm Kanto was named.

In the neighboring Australian basin, Cyclone Alfred made history when it struck Brisbane in eastern Queensland on March 8, the first to do so since 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Alfred

Eastern Hemisphere north of the equator
Although the North Indian Ocean hasn't had a named storm yet, there was a deadly depression that hit near the India/Bangladesh border. The western Pacific had a late start, but it's been deadly already. This included, mostly recently, Typhoon Danas, which was the first typhoon to strike the western (and more populated) coast of Taiwan since... 2024. If you want to check out more information on Taiwan typhoons, I don't recommend the Wikipedia list, as it is missing a lot of information, has multiple unsourced statements, and is formatted differently then many of the other Wikipedia lists of storms in a certain area. Still, if you want to check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoons_in_Taiwan

Eastern Pacific
The eastern Pacific has been busy, but the season article is up to date with the (so-far) record activity. The most notable storm in the basin, so far, was Hurricane Erick, which was the earliest major hurricane on record to strike Mexico (from the Atlantic or the Pacific). The article has a fair amount of information, but could use more about the aftermath, and Mexico-specific information, especially from local sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Erick

On the note of Mexico hurricanes, I realized last November that there was no article for storms affecting the country. This is despite local hurricane lists existing for Belize since 2020, Bermuda since 2015, United States since 2008, and Canada since 2006! I should note that there has been a specific list of storms affecting the Baja California peninsula since 2006, but none for any other parts of Mexico, or the country as a whole. Since I published the list, it has been expanded and kept up to date by other users. And in true Wikipedia fashion, there was some vandalism, where a user added Hurricane Aletta striking Mexico as a Category 4 hurricane in May of 2042. For your viewing pleasure, the vandalism revision:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Mexico_hurricanes&diff=1300001899&oldid=1299885100

Atlantic Ocean
The Atlantic had the latest start since 2014, which is more of a sign of how often pre-season storms form, rather than it being unusually late. There have been three storms so far, the most recent, Chantal, already has an article, as does the other landfalling storm, Barry. There have been plenty of discussions and edits regarding Barry and the recent devastating floods in Texas. Barry's role in the floods are mentioned in both Barry's article, as well as the separate flood article. Of note, there is a discussion on the flood article about whether to include coverage about climate change, which has become a regular point of discussion in weather articles. Here's the link to the flood article, which also links to Barry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2025_Central_Texas_floods

Other news regarding Wikipedia
In recent months, several articles have lost their featured status. This is not due to vandalism, but more to due rising standards for articles. Wikipedia was founded in 2001, and by 2007, there were several authors regularly getting articles and lists to featured status, myself included. At the time, those articles were among some of the best on Wikipedia, and some of the best online. In the ensuing years, some links may have died out, while other sources may have become available. Some articles that once existed have since been merged. The trend in the early days of the tropical cyclone WikiProject was to have sub-articles for storm effects in certain areas, or splitting off articles for their entire meteorological histories. In the decades since, several of these sub-articles have been merged, which increased the size of the storm article, which often were shorter than they should have otherwise been.

It is an active effort to update and maintain the older storms, as well as new, destructive storms. That's why I post about the activities on Wikipedia every now and then. If you have any questions about Wikipedia's weather coverage, feel free to ask me, I've been editing for almost 20 years now.
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Re: Wikipedia - current storms, older ones, and WikiWeather

#8 Postby ljmac75 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 3:32 pm

That vandalism was very poorly done. They didn't even add it to the table correctly.
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