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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#301 Postby gpsnowman » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:51 am

Portastorm wrote:One impact that looks to be fairly likely will be rip currents along the Texas coastline. Over the Memorial Day weekend, a person died and dozens needed to be rescued in Galveston due to rip currents. With a holiday week on us and hundreds of thousands enjoying Texas beaches, this is going to be a real concern.

Also noticed the 12z tropical models and GFS are a bit further north on the storm's trajectory in the western Gulf. We are far from being considered out of the woods.

Someone remind me, wasn't there a tropical system headed towards Texas years ago that ended up being shredded by a strong high pressure dome?
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#302 Postby DallasAg » Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:18 pm

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Portastorm wrote:One impact that looks to be fairly likely will be rip currents along the Texas coastline. Over the Memorial Day weekend, a person died and dozens needed to be rescued in Galveston due to rip currents. With a holiday week on us and hundreds of thousands enjoying Texas beaches, this is going to be a real concern.

Also noticed the 12z tropical models and GFS are a bit further north on the storm's trajectory in the western Gulf. We are far from being considered out of the woods.

Someone remind me, wasn't there a tropical system headed towards Texas years ago that ended up being shredded by a strong high pressure dome?

TS Don in 2011 is the first one to come to mind - thoroughly disheartening to watch it evaporate on its approach.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#303 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:27 pm

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Portastorm wrote:One impact that looks to be fairly likely will be rip currents along the Texas coastline. Over the Memorial Day weekend, a person died and dozens needed to be rescued in Galveston due to rip currents. With a holiday week on us and hundreds of thousands enjoying Texas beaches, this is going to be a real concern.

Also noticed the 12z tropical models and GFS are a bit further north on the storm's trajectory in the western Gulf. We are far from being considered out of the woods.

Someone remind me, wasn't there a tropical system headed towards Texas years ago that ended up being shredded by a strong high pressure dome?


Typically, domes of HP act as track barriers depending on where they're located. Troughs can sometimes create shear and as a result tear systems apart or prevent strengthening. What we're going to be watching in this scenario is how fast does the HP break down as the trough moves across the Midwest.

A deeper trough over the Midwest may help to breakdown the ridge and shift it more eastward and perhaps allow Beryl to gain some latitude over the southern gulf possibly toward Texas. The other question is how strong Beryl is once it moves over the high terrain of the Yucatan Peninsula.

Stronger systems typically feel the influence of the trough more whereas weaker systems may miss it entirely and therefore continue to drive it west into Mexico. This is why we see some the spread in the ensemble tracks where the stronger solutions take a more northwesterly/northerly path late in the forecast period.

To your point though, HP can create a ton of dry air and weaken systems dramatically once they make landfall. Bret was an example of this I believe. Also helped that it made landfall in a sparsely populated region of south Texas. Major hurricane but collapsed quickly. Smaller system/localized impacts.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#304 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:26 pm

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Portastorm wrote:One impact that looks to be fairly likely will be rip currents along the Texas coastline. Over the Memorial Day weekend, a person died and dozens needed to be rescued in Galveston due to rip currents. With a holiday week on us and hundreds of thousands enjoying Texas beaches, this is going to be a real concern.

Also noticed the 12z tropical models and GFS are a bit further north on the storm's trajectory in the western Gulf. We are far from being considered out of the woods.

Someone remind me, wasn't there a tropical system headed towards Texas years ago that ended up being shredded by a strong high pressure dome?


Typically, domes of HP act as track barriers depending on where they're located. Troughs can sometimes create shear and as a result tear systems apart or prevent strengthening. What we're going to be watching in this scenario is how fast does the HP break down as the trough moves across the Midwest.

A deeper trough over the Midwest may help to breakdown the ridge and shift it more eastward and perhaps allow Beryl to gain some latitude over the southern gulf possibly toward Texas. The other question is how strong Beryl is once it moves over the high terrain of the Yucatan Peninsula.

Stronger systems typically feel the influence of the trough more whereas weaker systems may miss it entirely and therefore continue to drive it west into Mexico. This is why we see some the spread in the ensemble tracks where the stronger solutions take a more northwesterly/northerly path late in the forecast period.

To your point though, HP can create a ton of dry air and weaken systems dramatically once they make landfall. Bret was an example of this I believe. Also helped that it made landfall in a sparsely populated region of south Texas. Major hurricane but collapsed quickly. Smaller system/localized impacts.


I am not Porta or GP Snowman, but the Tropical Storm you are speaking of is Don (2011). I was instructed by Porta never to speak of that year again.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#305 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:29 pm

And it’s Mexico again. Seems impossible to get a hurricane here to break up the summer doldrums.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#306 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:42 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:And it’s Mexico again. Seems impossible to get a hurricane here to break up the summer doldrums.


I'm fine with no hurricanes and would much rather deal with this heat. I'm sure there will be more hurricanes to threaten Texas later this season.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#307 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:42 pm

Don = the sorriest excuse for a named storm in tropical weather history.

2011 = worst Texas weather year ever!
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#308 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:51 pm

12z Euro ensemble members definitely seeing that window for a Texas path long term as the Midwest trough breaks down the ridge pushing it eastward. A lot to watch despite the operational run.

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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#309 Postby LadyBug72 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:53 pm

txtwister78 wrote:12z Euro ensemble members definitely seeing that window for a Texas path long term as the Midwest trough breaks down the ridge pushing it eastward. A lot to watch despite the operational run.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRbDhivaoAAcQks?format=png&name=medium


Is one more accurate than the other? ensemble vs opertation runs I mean?
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#310 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:59 pm

LadyBug72 wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:12z Euro ensemble members definitely seeing that window for a Texas path long term as the Midwest trough breaks down the ridge pushing it eastward. A lot to watch despite the operational run.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRbDhivaoAAcQks?format=png&name=medium


Is one more accurate than the other? ensemble vs opertation runs I mean?


Ensemble members/runs this far out are your best bet because they give you a range of possibilities/potential cone similar to what NHC uses of where the storm could make landfall longer term as opposed to wild fluctuations of its operational. As we get closer to that forecast period/timeline, the operational will begin to fall in line with the overall ensemble member consensus.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#311 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:14 pm

DallasAg wrote:
gpsnowman wrote:
Portastorm wrote:One impact that looks to be fairly likely will be rip currents along the Texas coastline. Over the Memorial Day weekend, a person died and dozens needed to be rescued in Galveston due to rip currents. With a holiday week on us and hundreds of thousands enjoying Texas beaches, this is going to be a real concern.

Also noticed the 12z tropical models and GFS are a bit further north on the storm's trajectory in the western Gulf. We are far from being considered out of the woods.

Someone remind me, wasn't there a tropical system headed towards Texas years ago that ended up being shredded by a strong high pressure dome?

TS Don in 2011 is the first one to come to mind - thoroughly disheartening to watch it evaporate on its approach.


I will tell you this (before Porta bans me), it was surreal to watch it. We old timers watched it happen on the board. We were in the middle of horrible drought and this thing (tropical storm, we think, at least that is what we were told) was completely eaten up by the high-pressure ridge of death. I will stop.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#312 Postby LadyBug72 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:27 pm

txtwister78 wrote:
LadyBug72 wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:12z Euro ensemble members definitely seeing that window for a Texas path long term as the Midwest trough breaks down the ridge pushing it eastward. A lot to watch despite the operational run.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRbDhivaoAAcQks?format=png&name=medium


Is one more accurate than the other? ensemble vs opertation runs I mean?


Ensemble members/runs this far out are your best bet because they give you a range of possibilities/potential cone similar to what NHC uses of where the storm could make landfall longer term as opposed to wild fluctuations of its operational. As we get closer to that forecast period/timeline, the operational will begin to fall in line with the overall ensemble member consensus.


Thank you!
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#313 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:35 pm

We don't even need a Texas landfall, with the right upper pattern (west ridge and central-eastern trough) can draw up the moisture for rain chances.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#314 Postby snownado » Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:07 pm

DFW achieved an intra-hour high of 100*F today (3rd this season) *and* set another record maximum low of 83*F this morning.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#315 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:07 pm

18Z GEFS (GFS Ensemble) with more members into Texas. Most of the members are weak but considering the GEFS is based off of the GFS which has been underdoing Beryl's intensity idk how much we can trust it to just be a TS if Beryl tracks towards Texas.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#316 Postby Brent » Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:47 pm

Ntxw wrote:We don't even need a Texas landfall, with the right upper pattern (west ridge and central-eastern trough) can draw up the moisture for rain chances.


Yeah there's supposed to be a front here... You would think there would at least be some enhanced rainfall somewhere if nothing else

I'm still waiting to see all this weakening they expect first off. I mean yeah if it runs over Jamaica and the Yucatan but like it's got a long way to go with the trends we've seen today
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#317 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:32 pm

Bad trends in the past few hours for Texas and Louisiana.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#318 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:29 pm

As we all look at long range tracks/trends, it's important to also note that we're still a long way from determining the overall size/strength of Beryl several days ahead

The good news is we're seeing indications from models that show a steady weakening of Beryl (perhaps substantially) despite it being near CAT 5 strength now (if not there already) once it gets into the Central/ Western Carribean where westerly shear could be a major factor. Beyond that, it would also have to survive the rugged terrain of the Yucatan before entering the gulf and so still a lot to sort out than just tracks at this point. Important to keep that in mind.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#319 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:55 pm

txtwister78 wrote:As we all look at long range tracks/trends, it's important to also note that we're still a long way from determining the overall size/strength of Beryl several days ahead

The good news is we're seeing indications from models that show a steady weakening of Beryl (perhaps substantially) despite it being near CAT 5 strength now (if not there already) once it gets into the Central/ Western Carribean where westerly shear could be a major factor. Beyond that, it would also have to survive the rugged terrain of the Yucatan before entering the gulf and so still a lot to sort out than just tracks at this point. Important to keep that in mind.


Depends where on the Yucatán it crosses. The northern part of the peninsula is flat. Highest elevation below 1,000 feet. Southern part has some much higher points close to 4,000 feet.
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Re: Texas Summer 2024

#320 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:24 pm

Portastorm wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:As we all look at long range tracks/trends, it's important to also note that we're still a long way from determining the overall size/strength of Beryl several days ahead

The good news is we're seeing indications from models that show a steady weakening of Beryl (perhaps substantially) despite it being near CAT 5 strength now (if not there already) once it gets into the Central/ Western Carribean where westerly shear could be a major factor. Beyond that, it would also have to survive the rugged terrain of the Yucatan before entering the gulf and so still a lot to sort out than just tracks at this point. Important to keep that in mind.


Depends where on the Yucatán it crosses. The northern part of the peninsula is flat. Highest elevation below 1,000 feet. Southern part has some much higher points close to 4,000 feet.


Correct although most models show it crossing central portions of the peninsula as it stands today.
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