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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#401 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:17 pm

Stratton23 wrote:CMC has the system from yesterday along with another even further south system digging on its heals, the GFS is more progressive with this pattern,


The GFS is usually progressive with everything. That’s nothing new.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#402 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:42 pm

The EPS really likes the idea of some wintry mischief in the state over the next 10-12 days, its still pretty aggressive, looks like it has a deeper trough with that -NAO really slowing things down
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#403 Postby Itryatgolf » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:59 pm

Stratton23 wrote:The EPS really likes the idea of some wintry mischief in the state over the next 10-12 days, its still pretty aggressive, looks like it has a deeper trough with that -NAO really slowing things down

We will need great timing to see winter weather currently. We actually need to see a -epo or a -ao/nao to allow cold air to come down this way. That's why niños are backloaded for the most part like Ntxw alluded to
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#404 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:38 pm

What we are seeing is retrogression of the huge blocking over the Atlantic. This is quite an anomalous feature, that will shift to Hudson Bay -> Central Canada -> Alaskan EPO region. It is the latter portion that will promote cold. All of the standard big El Nino blasts that go from mild December to cold Jan/Feb will have the blocking traverse north into the Arctic-sub-Arctic higher latitudes.

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Constructive interference with the MJO.

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#405 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:49 pm

Op GFS showing ridging starting to poke its head in alaksa at the end of the run, also has a cold blast at the end of december, we will see, but long range euro weeklies continue to advertise a pretty cold january, we will see about that as well
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#406 Postby Ntxw » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:24 am

Signal for significantly favorable winter pattern is getting stronger. Turn of the calendar likely features -EPO and strong El Nino stj with Atlantic blocking. Golden trio.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#407 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:30 pm

Ntwx hopefully we can cash in big time with that setup!
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#408 Postby Ntxw » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:53 pm

Stratton23 wrote:Ntwx hopefully we can cash in big time with that setup!


It would be incredibly bad luck if no one in the southern plains cashed in on *potentially* good pattern. 500mb should be favorable. Wild card is, as always, we don't yet know the quality of cold air involved since we don't live at 500mb.

So far this winter, many of the forecasts and statistical/analogs painted the southern high plains (eastern NM, SE Colorado, Kansas, NW Oklahoma, and Panhandle of TX) as ground zero for this winter, so far they have seen most of the action.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#409 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:01 pm

12z Euro has a deepening trough with a pretty nice cool down at the end of its run
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#410 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:51 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Stratton23 wrote:Ntwx hopefully we can cash in big time with that setup!


It would be incredibly bad luck if no one in the southern plains cashed in on *potentially* good pattern. 500mb should be favorable. Wild card is, as always, we don't yet know the quality of cold air involved since we don't live at 500mb.

So far this winter, many of the forecasts and statistical/analogs painted the southern high plains (eastern NM, SE Colorado, Kansas, NW Oklahoma, and Panhandle of TX) as ground zero for this winter, so far they have seen most of the action.


We will see so far Tulsa has only reported a half hour of snow :spam: a lot of people had real snow in December
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#411 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:00 pm

Yeah, you can see the retrogression on the ensembles of the blocking slowly poking its way into the Yukon Territories and Alaska. The EPS has it happening faster than the GEFS.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#412 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:32 pm

Cpv17 wrote:Yeah, you can see the retrogression on the ensembles of the blocking slowly poking its way into the Yukon Territories and Alaska. The EPS has it happening faster than the GEFS.

Also a massive -NAO block

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#413 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:35 pm

Wow thats a pretty strong -NAO blocking signature, definitely an intriguing pattern ahead
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#414 Postby starsfan65 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:38 pm

Stratton23 wrote:Wow thats a pretty strong -NAO blocking signature, definitely an intriguing pattern ahead

I hope it is a sign of good things to come.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#415 Postby Stratton23 » Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:40 am

man the 00z EPS control run is quite something lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#416 Postby Tammie » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:01 am

Stratton23 wrote:man the 00z EPS control run is quite something lol

Care to elaborate on this for us more weather challenged please? :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#417 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:34 am

60s on Christmas. No thanks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#418 Postby orangeblood » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:36 am

Ntxw wrote:Signal for significantly favorable winter pattern is getting stronger. Turn of the calendar likely features -EPO and strong El Nino stj with Atlantic blocking. Golden trio.


Latest few runs of CFSv2 going all-in on Major Cold outbreak into lower 48 weeks 3-4...The Mean is going towards a top 5 cold January
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30 day temp forecast/Entire month of January
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Control is even more extreme, has a 10 day stretch mid-month that would rival Feb 2021 :double:
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Lets see if tonight's Euro weeklies starting back this trend up....
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#419 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:46 am

orangeblood wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Signal for significantly favorable winter pattern is getting stronger. Turn of the calendar likely features -EPO and strong El Nino stj with Atlantic blocking. Golden trio.


Latest few runs of CFSv2 going all-in on Major Cold outbreak into lower 48 weeks 3-4...The Mean is going towards a top 5 cold January
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/cfs-daily-all-avg/nhemi/z500_anom_7day/1702879200/1705104000-YkhDtMt9nO0.png

30 day temp forecast/Entire month of January
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/cfs-daily-all-avg/conus/t2m_f_anom_30day/1702879200/1706745600-hs5sgJF7bBE.png

Control is even more extreme, has a 10 day stretch mid-month that would rival Feb 2021 :double:
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/cfs-daily-all-c00/conus/t2m_f_anom_10day/1702879200/1705795200-0z8o9reB9E8.png

Lets see if tonight's Euro weeklies starting back this trend up....


I think we see our first snow chance the first week of Jan.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#420 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:49 am

Also the system rolling in next week is potent. It doesn't have true cold air but will be a sign of much slower flow.
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