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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1441 Postby WinterMax » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:16 am

wxman57 wrote:What a difference less than a day makes in the model runs. Is the 6Z run correct? GFS says "NO COLD FOR YOU!" Probably not. With every Arctic outbreak in the past, going back to 1983 when I was a young forecaster, the models were clueless until 24-48 hours before the cold arrived. First, the prediction of cold air building in the Yukon and Northern Territories has to happen. That's what you need to watch for.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1442 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:38 am

IMO at this point, I don't believe there is really debate about the Source Region getting cold (NW Canada). All models have that showing up in less than 3 days. It's the upper level pattern evolution and the subsequent downstream implications that is up for debate. The trends overnight were definitely in the very cold (not extreme) and drier camp but still too early to call, we're still in the "model wobble" period for late next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1443 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:41 am

orangeblood wrote:IMO at this point, I don't believe there is really debate about the Source Region getting cold (NW Canada). All models have that showing up in less than 3 days. It's the upper level pattern evolution and the subsequent downstream implications that is up for debate. The trends overnight were definitely in the very cold (not extreme) and drier camp but still too early to call, we're still in the "model wobble" period for late next week.


I would say that it is quite uncertain just how cold the air up there may get. Will it be -15F to -25F or -35F to -45F? Big difference down here.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1444 Postby TropicalTundra » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:41 am

Regardless of what happens, i'm at least happy Christmas Eve and Day are most likely going to be cold. It just doesn't feel right when it's warm. Hopefully this pattern stays for a good while
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1445 Postby TropicalTundra » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:45 am

wxman57 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:IMO at this point, I don't believe there is really debate about the Source Region getting cold (NW Canada). All models have that showing up in less than 3 days. It's the upper level pattern evolution and the subsequent downstream implications that is up for debate. The trends overnight were definitely in the very cold (not extreme) and drier camp but still too early to call, we're still in the "model wobble" period for late next week.


I would say that it is quite uncertain just how cold the air up there may get. Will it be -15F to -25F or -35F to -45F? Big difference down here.


Some people are saying Siberian air will be funneling cold with it moving over to far north Canada. Then high pressures and ridging force it straight down toward us. I don't know if that's right since i'm clueless on most of this stuff but if it's true that will most likely bring some great cold for a decent while
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1446 Postby HockeyTx82 » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:46 am

It was fun while it lasted. See you all in the Spring 23 thread.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1447 Postby rwfromkansas » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:51 am

I appreciate skepticism. Record cold is record for a reason. But, at the same time, I also think we need to look at consistency. Everything pointed to a cold pattern, though how cold was in question. When models consistently show one thing, pay attention.

I will not lose my mind over a run or even a day of runs.

When it shows something different, it's an outlier until it has consistency. To me, that requires several more days, at least. Then I may join the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I certainly did in 2021 before it ended up fine. Thankfully we never lost power here.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1448 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:58 am

The 0z EPS has actually trended colder compared to the 0z Euro because the model has slowed the cold wave down.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1449 Postby Edwards Limestone » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:17 am

My heart sank when I logged on here this morning...ugh. :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1450 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:20 am

Edwards Limestone wrote:My heart sank when I logged on here this morning...ugh.


No need to give up hope yet. It's still likely going to get quite cold...I would be surprised if SA didn't see at least a freeze from this event. Unfortunately it still looks more likely that not much moisture will accompany the cold temps.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1451 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:20 am

Edwards Limestone wrote:My heart sank when I logged on here this morning...ugh.

Well, I knew that the models were going to try to make us think that the cold is not going to come. Just wait 1-4 days and the models are back in action!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1452 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:22 am

Iceresistance wrote:The 0z EPS has actually trended colder compared to the 0z Euro because the model has slowed the cold wave down.


Yes, Cold still looks well below normal but that Ridge off Northern California is currently not in a very favorable spot for winter weather around here...embedded NW flow system maybe but not the robust ULL types

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1453 Postby Edwards Limestone » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:22 am

South Texas Storms wrote:
Edwards Limestone wrote:My heart sank when I logged on here this morning...ugh.


No need to give up hope yet. It's still likely going to get quite cold...I would be surprised if SA didn't see at least a freeze from this event. Unfortunately it still looks more likely that not much moisture will accompany the cold temps.


Good point. EWX is forecasting a light frost/freeze tonight for my area so at least there's that.

We need the moisture in a bad way down here, still ongoing extreme drought in Comal County.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1454 Postby ATXAG95 » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:24 am

Y'all haven't been getting all this rain like we have in Austin? Seems like it's rained every day since November
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1455 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:25 am

For reference, I saved a forecast from last February's freeze. The forecast was the 12Z Wednesday, February 2nd run. Large blue dots are actual highs/lows. This is within 2 days of the cold arriving, and models still could not agree on temps. Looks like for that one particular event, the Canadian & Euro were closest on the lows. Just 3 days out (Saturday), all models were WAY too cold for Saturday's high. We don't know which model will do best next week. All three models have undergone changes since last February. Moral of the story is that we need to wait another week before we start having a clue about the weather at Christmas.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1456 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:26 am

Late December 2000 looks like one of the better Analogs at this point!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1457 Postby Edwards Limestone » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:27 am

ATXAG95 wrote:Y'all haven't been getting all this rain like we have in Austin? Seems like it's rained every day since November



Very little improvement for my local area in the past few months. Always north, south, or east of us.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1458 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:28 am

Edwards Limestone wrote:
ATXAG95 wrote:Y'all haven't been getting all this rain like we have in Austin? Seems like it's rained every day since November



Very little improvement for my local area in the past few months. Always north, south, or east of us.
https://www.tceq.texas.gov/downloads/response/images/drought-map.jpg

Goodness, you can really see the San Antonio Force Field.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1459 Postby WinterMax » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:30 am

wxman57 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:IMO at this point, I don't believe there is really debate about the Source Region getting cold (NW Canada). All models have that showing up in less than 3 days. It's the upper level pattern evolution and the subsequent downstream implications that is up for debate. The trends overnight were definitely in the very cold (not extreme) and drier camp but still too early to call, we're still in the "model wobble" period for late next week.


I would say that it is quite uncertain just how cold the air up there may get. Will it be -15F to -25F or -35F to -45F? Big difference down here.



Even in 3 to 5 days those -30 to -40 temps are not forecast but(modeled) in the source region, not even close, so this will be interesting to watch how it unfolds.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1460 Postby ATXAG95 » Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:33 am

Edwards Limestone wrote:
ATXAG95 wrote:Y'all haven't been getting all this rain like we have in Austin? Seems like it's rained every day since November



Very little improvement for my local area in the past few months. Always north, south, or east of us.
https://www.tceq.texas.gov/downloads/response/images/drought-map.jpg

UGH. That IS ugly. I'm so sorry
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