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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1141 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:16 am

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Iceresistance wrote:Still trust the Ensembles! The 0z GEFS has 3-4 inches of 10:1 ratio snowfall.


That's the real reason I started getting interested... and maybe its right but it does seem like almost every other model favors a drier solution. Even the op GFS seems to be trending that way

Well, I just checked it and there is no indication for that for the GFS.

0z HRRR is the first run to feature snow, it's very aggressive for it already!

NWS-Norman has this discussion
There are couple important forecast points to note about this
system. First, there is still some variation on the exact track of
the trough. Model consensus would suggest somewhere near or just
north of I-40. Given this track, the highest snowfall totals would
be expected across the north central into northwest Oklahoma with
a sharp gradient likely somewhere near I-40 (which seems to often
be the case in our part of the world). Second, while our current
deterministic forecast has >2" across northwest Oklahoma and 1-2"
north of I-40, given the intense, dynamic system, the potential
for more significant snowfall is there if cooling can happen quick
enough and the rates are high enough (the QPF is quite high with
this system). For example, the NBM 75th percentile has widespread
2-4" near and north of I-40 with >5" across northwest Oklahoma. So
from a probabilistic point of view, there is definitely the
potential for more snowfall than currently in the deterministic
forecast. Less snowfall is possible too if the system is warmer or
if the track shifts farther to the north.


The funny part :lol:
Given this track, the highest snowfall totals would
be expected across the north central into northwest Oklahoma with
a sharp gradient likely somewhere near I-40 (which seems to often
be the case in our part of the world).


It just seems like if you compare the earlier runs it's decreasing the snow totals over here but whatever... I guess at least as long as the ensembles are good. Hopefully the NAM will come around tomorrow

Edit the GEFS now has the heavier amounts to my south and west

Another thing I've noticed the TV met who always hypes up snow here is not talking about this... In fact on the news tonight he showed a model with zero snow here
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1142 Postby TropicalTundra » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:16 am

0z CMC 150+ hrs has what would be easily some of the most record breaking temperatures lol. 40s for highs and teens for lows in November. Also has snow for South TX as well.

Just hit 32F for the first time in a while. About 5 degrees cooler than expected. Goodbye Fall
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1143 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:59 am

TropicalTundra wrote:0z CMC 150+ hrs has what would be easily some of the most record breaking temperatures lol. 40s for highs and teens for lows in November. Also has snow for South TX as well.

Just hit 32F for the first time in a while. About 5 degrees cooler than expected. Goodbye Fall

Late this week could rival 2014 for November cold. I got down to 17 and had a dusting of snow with that event. That was a big time -EPO driven by Typhoon Nuri.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1144 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:20 am

The GEFS has really jumped on the storm system late next week with snow.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1145 Postby funster » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:25 am

It's going to rain again today apparently. Will be a chilly rain. :cold: DFW might catch up to normal on yearly rain totals. Departure from normal just 1.42 inches per NWS:
https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=fwd&product=CLI&issuedby=dfw

Update: Seems rain is Monday, not today. Somehow skipped over the first bolded all-caps word when I read the tweet. lol

 https://twitter.com/KyleWeather/status/1591795630267314177


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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1146 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:05 am

Iceresistance wrote:The GEFS has really jumped on the storm system late next week with snow.


GEFS has a few big hitters for N. TX, and overall, this is a strong D7 signal. EPS has about 25% of members with winter wx for N. TX during the same timeframe, but totals are much lower.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1147 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:56 am

I'm down to under an inch tomorrow :spam: hopefully Friday trends better. I mean luckily it's only November and I'm sure we'll get a good snow eventually but I don't wanna waste this pattern
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1148 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:58 am

Brent wrote:I'm down to under an inch tomorrow :spam: hopefully Friday trends better. I mean luckily it's only November and I'm sure we'll get a good snow eventually but I don't wanna waste this pattern


NWS-Norman has my area under 1-3 inches! :D

It appears that west of I-35, the heaviest snow is north of I-40, but east of I-35, the heaviest snow appears to be south of I-40. Weird.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1149 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:00 am

Also, the AO appears to be turning negative when Thanksgiving (11/24) is closer than Veterans day (11/11), so December looks to be really nasty cold if the floodgates open from Canada.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1150 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:06 am

Iceresistance wrote:
Brent wrote:I'm down to under an inch tomorrow :spam: hopefully Friday trends better. I mean luckily it's only November and I'm sure we'll get a good snow eventually but I don't wanna waste this pattern


NWS-Norman has my area under 1-3 inches! :D

It appears that west of I-35, the heaviest snow is north of I-40, but east of I-35, the heaviest snow appears to be south of I-40. Weird.


This early event is driven a lot by dynamics. Surface temps marginal and being underneath the ULL cold pocket helps. Track matters, it is more typical of a TX-like event.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1151 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:06 am

Iceresistance wrote:
Brent wrote:I'm down to under an inch tomorrow :spam: hopefully Friday trends better. I mean luckily it's only November and I'm sure we'll get a good snow eventually but I don't wanna waste this pattern


NWS-Norman has my area under 1-3 inches! :D

It appears that west of I-35, the heaviest snow is north of I-40, but east of I-35, the heaviest snow appears to be south of I-40. Weird.


Friday Night was a smaller version of it basically. I never saw any flakes here then

I just hate we were bullseyed on the GEFS all those runs. You would have thought that would end better
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1152 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:17 am

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1153 Postby wxman57 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:34 am

Okay, I've had enough winter for this year. I'd take the hottest day in July over the weather today across southeast Texas. Too cold to even go outside much less bike.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1154 Postby gpsnowman » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:42 am

wxman57 wrote:Okay, I've had enough winter for this year. I'd take the hottest day in July over the weather today across southeast Texas. Too cold to even go outside much less bike.

Nice to hear from you 57. Looking forward to your winter thoughts the coming months. Now we need Portastorm and Orangeblood to chime in!!
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1155 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:32 pm

The GEFS and GFS are now on the idea of the main bullseye in NW Oklahoma with 3-5 inches of snow north of I-40 and west of I-35, but a secondary bullseye over my area with 2-4 inches south of I-40 and east of I-35.

Weird stuff. :roll:
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1156 Postby CaptinCrunch » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:51 pm

It was 29 @ 6:30am this morning here at the house, with a heavy frost on everything.

This coming week with be below normal, Thanksgiving week we'll see a return to normal to slightly above normal temps. Looking to December I think things will get interesting again by mid month and I also see ENSO neutral conditions taking hold earlier, as in first half of January rather than the latter half. :ggreen:
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1157 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:11 pm

Today's weather is extremely nice. 50 degrees, brilliant sunshine, light breeze. I'm enjoying it! 8-)
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1158 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:18 pm

somethingfunny wrote:Today's weather is extremely nice. 50 degrees, brilliant sunshine, light breeze. I'm enjoying it! 8-)

48°F here, chilly, but so worth it compared to July! :D
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1159 Postby Itryatgolf » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:33 pm

Imo, it's going to be a front loaded winter, which is typical of la niña. I guess if it weakens substantial, then all bets are off. As most know, you want pacific favorable for cold weather over the Atlantic. Jet extensions over retraction
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1160 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:15 pm

WWA up along and west of I-35!

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Norman OK
109 PM CST Sun Nov 13 2022

OKZ004>006-009>011-014>018-021>025-027>029-034-035-038-040-141200-
/O.NEW.KOUN.WW.Y.0008.221114T1200Z-221115T0000Z/
Harper-Woods-Alfalfa-Ellis-Woodward-Major-Roger Mills-Dewey-
Custer-Blaine-Kingfisher-Beckham-Washita-Caddo-Canadian-Oklahoma-
Grady-McClain-Cleveland-Greer-Kiowa-Comanche-Garvin-
Including the cities of Buffalo, Laverne, Alva, Cherokee, Helena,
Carmen, Shattuck, Arnett, Gage, Fargo, Woodward, Fairview,
Cheyenne, Hammon, Seiling, Vici, Taloga, Leedey, Weatherford,
Clinton, Watonga, Geary, Okeene, Kingfisher, Hennessey, Okarche,
Elk City, Sayre, Cordell, Burns Flat, Sentinel, Anadarko, Hinton,
Yukon, Concho, El Reno, Mustang, Oklahoma City, Chickasha,
Tuttle, Purcell, Newcastle, Blanchard, Norman, Moore, Mangum,
Granite, Hobart, Snyder, Lawton, Pauls Valley, Lindsay,
and Wynnewood
109 PM CST Sun Nov 13 2022

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM TO 6 PM CST
MONDAY...

* WHAT...Wet snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 1 to 3
inches. Isolated higher amounts may occur across west central
Oklahoma.

* WHERE...Portions of central, northwest, southern, southwest
and western Oklahoma.

* WHEN...From 6 AM to 6 PM CST Monday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
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