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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1121 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:11 pm

Itryatgolf wrote:Ntxwx, I think a moderation would be good, but hopefully it doesn't last too long lol. I just don't think the ao/nao will be much of a factor unless a ssw happens imo. I believe mostly pacific driven if we get cold. IF we get the ao to go negative, going to be so barbaric cold for sure :double:


Strat PV is being elongated and stretched the next week or so. Scandinavian ridge if retrogresses could help too over the top. MJO P7-8 helps. Ecmwf long range shows higher heights over Eastern Canada. Below is from the ecmwf for Dec 5-12.

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Note from several weeks ago the models whiffed on the big -EPO. Showed warm mid November that won't verify with flat Pac ridge analogs were better tool.

Troposphere is cold to start. Maybe Tonga had a role in it.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1122 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:26 pm

Also incase one had any doubts about the cold, 1063mb this coming week in NW Canada. It will moderate because due to lack of snow cover and way early in season but on its own a doozy of a ridge. I don't think the forecasts yet reflect how chilly it will be late week. Storminess prevents the record overnight temps but no cakewalk.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1123 Postby rwfromkansas » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:30 pm

We were complaining about the warmth last year. I just hope we don’t get a sneak peek and then it’s warm most of winter like some years. Don’t think that will happen luckily.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1124 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:38 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:We were complaining about the warmth last year. I just hope we don’t get a sneak peek and then it’s warm most of winter like some years. Don’t think that will happen luckily.


I don't think this winter will be that. We had God awful MJO phases last November and December. Opposite this year.

We're also in one of those 'transitory' events. Leaving the Nina and the forces are working to a Nino, you get some wild stuff in those big patterns of change. 2020-2021 was one of such but other direction. For instance Ninas favor cold building in Canada and locking it up. But -SOI dives brings Nino like patterns that unloads it for example.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1125 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:50 pm

Ntxw wrote:Also incase one had any doubts about the cold, 1063mb this coming week in NW Canada. It will moderate because due to lack of snow cover and way early in season but on its own a doozy of a ridge. I don't think the forecasts yet reflect how chilly it will be late week. Storminess prevents the record overnight temps but no cakewalk.

https://i.imgur.com/1vaeysO.png


That’s extremely rare to see a 1063 MB high on the Euro. Not so much on fantasyland runs of the GFS but even as it draws within one week away, it’s pretty rare to see on the GFS too. Of course over the years I’ve seen the GFS pumping out 1070 MB+ highs in fantasyland that never pan out..but yeah, when you see the Euro putting out a 1063 MB high it’s serious business. That’s big league cold for sure.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1126 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:52 pm

Ntxw wrote:Also incase one had any doubts about the cold, 1063mb this coming week in NW Canada. It will moderate because due to lack of snow cover and way early in season but on its own a doozy of a ridge. I don't think the forecasts yet reflect how chilly it will be late week. Storminess prevents the record overnight temps but no cakewalk.

https://i.imgur.com/1vaeysO.png


Which winters featured something like this? And what was the outcome for them when something like this shows up in November?

And for this winter, could it be even crazier than 2020-2021?

I've noticed little moisture for snow despite the impressive cold shot, maybe the Subtropical Jet needs to be active for a big snowstorm here?
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1127 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:42 pm

First time they've shown accumulation

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1128 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:43 pm

Brent wrote:First time they've shown accumulation

https://i.ibb.co/X36T0G0/image1-33.png

NWS-Norman has just started to show it too!
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1129 Postby Itryatgolf » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:56 pm

Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:We were complaining about the warmth last year. I just hope we don’t get a sneak peek and then it’s warm most of winter like some years. Don’t think that will happen luckily.


I don't think this winter will be that. We had God awful MJO phases last November and December. Opposite this year.

We're also in one of those 'transitory' events. Leaving the Nina and the forces are working to a Nino, you get some wild stuff in those big patterns of change. 2020-2021 was one of such but other direction. For instance Ninas favor cold building in Canada and locking it up. But -SOI dives brings Nino like patterns that unloads it for example.

What is interesting is the AAM is positive, which is El Niño like I think. Dacula wx, btw, has a great area for different mjo projections on various models. I believe we want jet extensions instead of retractions for more ridging. Yes a 1063mb high is impressive. Siberia and most of Canada is snow-covered from what I noticed
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1130 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:14 pm

KFOR has 2-3 inches of snow for my area Monday/Tuesday
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#1131 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:26 pm

https://twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status ... GA0BWgPDoQ

Not to derail the thread but this is so tragic.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1132 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Winds have fallen to 0 and clear skies. Temps should fall to freezing or below even within the urban core. One of those nights of optimum radiational cooling.

Late week into next weekend from CPC. This is for the big HP dome.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1133 Postby rwfromkansas » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:54 pm

That temp is falling quickly. May hit 32 by midnight.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1134 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:07 pm

Iceresistance wrote:KFOR has 2-3 inches of snow for my area Monday/Tuesday


Meanwhile the NAM has like no snow east of 35 :spam: hope that's wrong

I did have a thought earlier it could skip around us tbh
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1135 Postby Cerlin » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:02 pm

Brent wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:KFOR has 2-3 inches of snow for my area Monday/Tuesday


Meanwhile the NAM has like no snow east of 35 :spam: hope that's wrong

I did have a thought earlier it could skip around us tbh

NAM is aggressively showing some dry slotting unlike the rest of the models. I think given the trends of the last week or so, it’s more likely we will have plenty of moisture, but given how dry it’s been today and will be tomorrow, it’s not out of the question. I’ve seen a few events like that.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1136 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:22 pm

Cerlin wrote:
Brent wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:KFOR has 2-3 inches of snow for my area Monday/Tuesday


Meanwhile the NAM has like no snow east of 35 :spam: hope that's wrong

I did have a thought earlier it could skip around us tbh

NAM is aggressively showing some dry slotting unlike the rest of the models. I think given the trends of the last week or so, it’s more likely we will have plenty of moisture, but given how dry it’s been today and will be tomorrow, it’s not out of the question. I’ve seen a few events like that.


I will say I do seem to remember during the big snowstorm in February I seem to remember it was all meh after literally days of hype and every other model showing it and of course it didn't verify so maybe... But who knows with this pattern. I have been a pretty cautious person about this storm but today I was starting to feel different
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1137 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:44 pm

My video on last night's snow (Super slow motion)

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Bs5XUE18OB4[/youtube]
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1138 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:47 pm

Brent wrote:
Cerlin wrote:
Brent wrote:
Meanwhile the NAM has like no snow east of 35 :spam: hope that's wrong

I did have a thought earlier it could skip around us tbh

NAM is aggressively showing some dry slotting unlike the rest of the models. I think given the trends of the last week or so, it’s more likely we will have plenty of moisture, but given how dry it’s been today and will be tomorrow, it’s not out of the question. I’ve seen a few events like that.


I will say I do seem to remember during the big snowstorm in February I seem to remember it was all meh after literally days of hype and every other model showing it and of course it didn't verify so maybe... But who knows with this pattern. I have been a pretty cautious person about this storm but today I was starting to feel different

Still trust the Ensembles! The 0z GEFS has 3-4 inches of 10:1 ratio snowfall.
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#1139 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:56 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Brent wrote:
Cerlin wrote:NAM is aggressively showing some dry slotting unlike the rest of the models. I think given the trends of the last week or so, it’s more likely we will have plenty of moisture, but given how dry it’s been today and will be tomorrow, it’s not out of the question. I’ve seen a few events like that.


I will say I do seem to remember during the big snowstorm in February I seem to remember it was all meh after literally days of hype and every other model showing it and of course it didn't verify so maybe... But who knows with this pattern. I have been a pretty cautious person about this storm but today I was starting to feel different

Still trust the Ensembles! The 0z GEFS has 3-4 inches of 10:1 ratio snowfall.


That's the real reason I started getting interested... and maybe its right but it does seem like almost every other model favors a drier solution. Even the op GFS seems to be trending that way. NWS Tulsa has also mentioned this in the AFD(they even said there were models with no snow)
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1140 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Brent wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
Brent wrote:
I will say I do seem to remember during the big snowstorm in February I seem to remember it was all meh after literally days of hype and every other model showing it and of course it didn't verify so maybe... But who knows with this pattern. I have been a pretty cautious person about this storm but today I was starting to feel different

Still trust the Ensembles! The 0z GEFS has 3-4 inches of 10:1 ratio snowfall.


That's the real reason I started getting interested... and maybe its right but it does seem like almost every other model favors a drier solution. Even the op GFS seems to be trending that way

Well, I just checked it and there is no indication for that for the GFS.

0z HRRR is the first run to feature snow, it's very aggressive for it already!

NWS-Norman has this discussion
There are couple important forecast points to note about this
system. First, there is still some variation on the exact track of
the trough. Model consensus would suggest somewhere near or just
north of I-40. Given this track, the highest snowfall totals would
be expected across the north central into northwest Oklahoma with
a sharp gradient likely somewhere near I-40 (which seems to often
be the case in our part of the world). Second, while our current
deterministic forecast has >2" across northwest Oklahoma and 1-2"
north of I-40, given the intense, dynamic system, the potential
for more significant snowfall is there if cooling can happen quick
enough and the rates are high enough (the QPF is quite high with
this system). For example, the NBM 75th percentile has widespread
2-4" near and north of I-40 with >5" across northwest Oklahoma. So
from a probabilistic point of view, there is definitely the
potential for more snowfall than currently in the deterministic
forecast. Less snowfall is possible too if the system is warmer or
if the track shifts farther to the north.


The funny part :lol:
Given this track, the highest snowfall totals would
be expected across the north central into northwest Oklahoma with
a sharp gradient likely somewhere near I-40 (which seems to often
be the case in our part of the world).
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