2022 EPAC Season

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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#261 Postby MHC Tracking » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:41 am

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aspen wrote:If Celia gets upgraded in post-season analysis and Estelle’s intensification continues, that means the EPac will have six consecutive hurricanes….in a -ENSO and -PDO year.

Something is not right with this year. In 2020 and 2021, so many EPac systems struggled to even get past 50 kt and looked like tropical roadkill. The Nina is still in place, but the EPac is somehow far less hostile.

Pretty much no chance Celia is upped imo, ASCAT supported only 40-45 kt a little before peak, factoring in some intensification afterwards as evidenced by rising MW estimates, ~55 kt seems about right

After its initial peak, it rapidly recovered and had a fully developed eyewall. The NHC only upped it to 50 kt then, but the eyewall suggests it was indeed a hurricane.

However, as it was over significantly cooler waters at that time (~25C) it's likely that mixing was suboptimal imo. 55 kt then, probably, but 65 kt seems unlikely and was also not supported by the objective methods of intensity estimation the NHC uses
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#262 Postby MHC Tracking » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:43 am

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This year is acting like a nino!!! I am floored.

Does not seem to be a reliable forecast given the unrealistic refusal to correctly propagate the MJO out of the Pacific through the entirety of the run. Note the ECMWF and GEM seem to have a better handle on things here

The trio was just GFS being GFS but the EURO does have another potential system behind Estelle

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220716/233093986683737fd03237dd59ee2f70.jpg

A fair bit out, but a signal that should probably be watched, coming non the tail end of the MJO's passage through the Pacific
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#263 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:51 am

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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#264 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:39 am

aspen wrote:If Celia gets upgraded in post-season analysis and Estelle’s intensification continues, that means the EPac will have six consecutive hurricanes….in a -ENSO and -PDO year.

Something is not right with this year. In 2020 and 2021, so many EPac systems struggled to even get past 50 kt and looked like tropical roadkill. The Nina is still in place, but the EPac is somehow far less hostile.


Something is also not right in the sense that the EPAC is exploding with activity, yet the WPAC remains as dead as a rock :D
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#265 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:54 am

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aspen wrote:If Celia gets upgraded in post-season analysis and Estelle’s intensification continues, that means the EPac will have six consecutive hurricanes….in a -ENSO and -PDO year.

Something is not right with this year. In 2020 and 2021, so many EPac systems struggled to even get past 50 kt and looked like tropical roadkill. The Nina is still in place, but the EPac is somehow far less hostile.


Something is also not right in the sense that the EPAC is exploding with activity, yet the WPAC remains as dead as a rock :D


And WPAC has very warm SSTs alongside MJO nearby much better than EPAC is currently, shows those features are not everything. Quality waves and local conditions matter.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#266 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:58 am

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aspen wrote:If Celia gets upgraded in post-season analysis and Estelle’s intensification continues, that means the EPac will have six consecutive hurricanes….in a -ENSO and -PDO year.

Something is not right with this year. In 2020 and 2021, so many EPac systems struggled to even get past 50 kt and looked like tropical roadkill. The Nina is still in place, but the EPac is somehow far less hostile.


Something is also not right in the sense that the EPAC is exploding with activity, yet the WPAC remains as dead as a rock :D

I don't even think there's a monsoon trough out there rn lol.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#267 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:59 am

WPAC literally has no monsoon trough rn. Good luck getting TCG without a source for TCG.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#268 Postby zzh » Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:41 am

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#269 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:46 am

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#270 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:10 am

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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#271 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:59 pm

GFS is not alone now on the burst of systems.

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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#272 Postby zzh » Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:01 pm

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Literally feels like super El Nino
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#273 Postby TROPICALCYCLONEALERT » Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:37 pm

zzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/mBTfFKO.png
Literally feels like super El Nino


I’m guessing you weren’t tracking in 2015? The end of July that year put us at 9/4/3 (including the CPAC), with all 3 of those major hurricanes being strong C4s. With 4 more of those majors in August : )
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#274 Postby zzh » Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:48 pm

TROPICALCYCLONEALERT wrote:
zzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/mBTfFKO.png
Literally feels like super El Nino


I’m guessing you weren’t tracking in 2015? The end of July that year put us at 9/4/3 (including the CPAC), with all 3 of those major hurricanes being strong C4s. With 4 more of those majors in August : )

I mean it In terms of ACE. The current EPAC ace is very close to 2015, and models show no sign of shutting down.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#275 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:02 pm

It's gonna slow down soon. Ensembles and operationals are slowly backing off on EPAC development.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#276 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:03 pm

Kingarabian wrote:It's gonna slow down soon. Ensembles and operationals are slowly backing off on EPAC development.


Is possible that Estelle is being impacted by La Niña like enviroment.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#277 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:56 am

New AOI

1. Offshore of Central America and Southern Mexico:
A broad area of low pressure is expected to form a few hundred miles
off the coast of Central America and southern Mexico late this week.
Some slow development is possible after that time while the system
moves west-northwestward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.
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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

#278 Postby aspen » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:56 am

ElectricStorm wrote:New AOI

1. Offshore of Central America and Southern Mexico:
A broad area of low pressure is expected to form a few hundred miles
off the coast of Central America and southern Mexico late this week.
Some slow development is possible after that time while the system
moves west-northwestward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

Looks like it could be another low-latitude system like Darby. Assuming shear and dry air cooperate, perhaps this has a shot of being another strong ACE maker down the line. Or the basin is becoming less favorable as the month goes on and this spends a week struggling as a moderate TS to weak hurricane.
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#279 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:29 am

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Re: 2022 EPAC Season

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