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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#541 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:59 am

The model trends overnight are concerning to me for north texas, most notably the HRRR and NAM. Surface CAPE and STP continue to rise for the 6-9pm timeframe, as projected surface temps for this timeframe have increased from the 63-65 range a couple days ago to around 70 now. In my non-expert opinion, the SPC ought to go moderate with central texas today and expand 10% hatched tornado probabilities to the northern border of Collin/Denton counties.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#542 Postby Bhow » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:12 am

Is RadarScope down for everyone else? Almost all locations are down except for a few in Europe and Australia.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#543 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:23 am

Bhow wrote:Is RadarScope down for everyone else? Almost all locations are down except for a few in Europe and Australia.

I don't have RadarScope, but I've heard it does go down every once in a while.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#544 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:42 am

Bhow wrote:Is RadarScope down for everyone else? Almost all locations are down except for a few in Europe and Australia.

Just started working for me now
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#545 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:51 am

Enhanced risk expanded into all of DFW
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#546 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:05 am

Drizzling here. CAMS aren’t blowing up huge storms in size, but may be underdoing things. Reflectivity isn’t to be considered a forecast.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#547 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:34 am

HRRR has lots of convection for DFW around hour 20, will that take some of the punch away later? Looks kile numerous storms unless that's the big bad stuff
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#548 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:35 am

rwfromkansas wrote:Drizzling here. CAMS aren’t blowing up huge storms in size, but may be underdoing things. Reflectivity isn’t to be considered a forecast.


CAMS? Also for where?
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#549 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:37 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:Drizzling here. CAMS aren’t blowing up huge storms in size, but may be underdoing things. Reflectivity isn’t to be considered a forecast.


CAMS? Also for where?


Convective models. They are showing lots of small storms, but not the big monster supercells some had before around Austin going east. Small storms can be severe of course.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#550 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:39 am

12z HRRR is much more discrete for today. I'm thinking we'll see a moderate at some point, unless the morning convection really puts a dent in potential, which is possible but probably not likely.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#551 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:41 am

Weather Dude wrote:12z HRRR is much more discrete for today. I'm thinking we'll see a moderate at some point, unless the morning convection really puts a dent in potential, which is possible but probably not likely.


There's a large chunk of Texas in conversation today. Where are you referring too?
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#552 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:45 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:HRRR has lots of convection for DFW around hour 20, will that take some of the punch away later? Looks kile numerous storms unless that's the big bad stuff

Although there will be shower activity early on, I don’t see this as sufficient to hinder severe potential. The CAMs (convection allowing models) have been increasing surface temps for the event despite the shower activity, and the HRRR now shows temps reaching 70+ by late afternoon, which would allow for cape well over 2000j/kg.

The way I see it by looking at the HRRR, shower activity will probably gradually increase in intensity as time goes on, eventually rooting in the surface layer around or after 4pm. If this actually happens (up in the air at that time), grungy rain wrapped tornadoes are a possibility. There may be a lull after this activity clears out before more storms fire directly off the dry line. These storms would have a lot more instability to work with allowing for the large hail threat. Shear profiles look a little less favorable after about 6pm when these would come through, but are still supportive of a tornado threat.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#553 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:46 am

HockeyTx82 wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:12z HRRR is much more discrete for today. I'm thinking we'll see a moderate at some point, unless the morning convection really puts a dent in potential, which is possible but probably not likely.


There's a large chunk of Texas in conversation today. Where are you referring too?

Most likely the central parts of the 10 hatched. Maybe a bit of the northern part as well. Looks like 2 rounds of discrete supercells for parts of the 10 hatched on the newest HRRR. This is assuming these trends continue though, if future runs go back to a bit more linear mode like previous runs, it might stay enhanced.

Either way this will probably get ugly.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#554 Postby Edwards Limestone » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:47 am

Getting some much needed rain this AM in the San Antonio area...

Will this reduce severe wx chances at all later this afternoon? I can't remember many high impact days that started cloudy/rainy/drizzly.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#555 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:00 am

Something's not adding up, I'm walking across the UNT campus and it's cool, cloudy and chilly. Not the typical day I would expect to see huge horrific storms later on. It's 10AM
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#556 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:04 am

I have seen some severe days with clouds, but if it doesn't warm up and get some breaks this afternoon, I will start to wonder.

What you don't want is a big MCS rolling through, but so far that hasn't happened.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#557 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:28 am

13z HRRR was pretty tame, but 14z is similar to the 12z. Definitely a tough one for the SPC today. If it was me, based on the current temps/conditions, I'd probably keep it enhanced for now but they know a lot more than me. If we start seeing some clearing and warmer temps, then that could call for an upgrade imo
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#558 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:44 am

The latest HRRR, ARW, and ARW2 all show a pretty potent storm bisecting the DFW metro from SW to NE between 4 and 5pm. If that does occur it would be moving into some very favorable parameter space. I notice the NAM does not show it, but shows an even more supportive environment in dfw than the HRRR does. Should be noted that unlike more traditional setups, temps will not have to rise more than a few degrees from what they are now to generate a large amount of surface cape.

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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#559 Postby Quixotic » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:52 am

April 3rd 2012 outbreak was cloudy and cool for DFW. Granted it wasn't huge, but it was still a dangerous event.
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Re: Texas Spring 2022

#560 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:58 am

The "issue" for severe weather for central and southern areas of the 35 corridor is the advancement of the dryline in correlation with the cap in place. Once the dryline moves through then of course that shuts down your severe threat and so there is a limited window in the afternoon across that region for storms to initiate. The parameters are in place but if cloud cover hangs on longer this more than likely shifts further east as some of the models are now indicating.
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