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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#361 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:19 pm

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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#362 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:22 pm

Raw ADT up to 4.1 which supports a hurricane
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#363 Postby skyline385 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:34 pm

grapealcoholic wrote:Raw ADT up to 4.1 which supports a hurricane

It's already got the shrimp structure going so Raw ADT might be very close on this...
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#364 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:34 pm

Zonacane wrote:
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Zonacane wrote:Look closely at the northern lobe; Sam is attempting to close off a small eye. Based on the microwave, it might be closed but thin and ragged. A solid convective burst, and Sam will go supernova.

So what you’re saying is, it has a partial eyewall, but still has a bit more development to do?

I'm saying Sam is a hurricane

In due time. I like the convective pattern developing on the northern side, but so far the only evidence I see is a raw adt of 4.1, which isn’t conclusive enough for an upgrade. Could do it overnight though. I’m personally thinking we’ll see the first hints of a clearing eye on vis and Ir around daybreak tomorrow.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#365 Postby skyline385 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:37 pm

Kinda sucks that we probably won't have recon for a while...
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#366 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:39 pm

skyline385 wrote:Kinda sucks that we probably won't have recon for a while...

I was just about to post how I think Monday is rather late for a first recon flight. Sam should be in reach of recon by late Saturday at the earliest, and probably on Sunday.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#367 Postby Teban54 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:55 pm

It indeed seems like Sam is working on a small core. Intensification could be even faster than we expect IMO.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#368 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:57 pm

With that structure, I would assess the intensity of Sam at 60 kt.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#369 Postby Ubuntwo » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:30 pm

Core building
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#370 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:36 pm

It's gonna open an eye soon
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#371 Postby CyclonicFury » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:38 pm

23/2330 UTC 11.0N 40.2W T4.0/4.0 SAM -- Atlantic
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#372 Postby Ubuntwo » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:39 pm

TXNT24 KNES 240028
TCSNTL

A. 18L (SAM)

B. 23/2330Z

C. 11.0N

D. 40.2W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T4.0/4.0

G. IR/EIR/SWIR/SSMIS/AMSR2

H. REMARKS...0.8 CURVED BANDING RESULTS IN A DT OF 3.5. THE MET IS
3.5 BASED ON A NORMAL DEVELOPING TREND IN APPARENT INTENSITY OVER THE
PAST 24 HOURS. THE PT IS 4.0. THE FT IS BASED ON THE PT DUE TO BANDING
FEATURES NOT BEING CLEAR CUT.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#373 Postby Blown Away » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 pm

Ubuntwo wrote:
TXNT24 KNES 240028
TCSNTL

A. 18L (SAM)

B. 23/2330Z

C. 11.0N

D. 40.2W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T4.0/4.0

G. IR/EIR/SWIR/SSMIS/AMSR2

H. REMARKS...0.8 CURVED BANDING RESULTS IN A DT OF 3.5. THE MET IS
3.5 BASED ON A NORMAL DEVELOPING TREND IN APPARENT INTENSITY OVER THE
PAST 24 HOURS. THE PT IS 4.0. THE FT IS BASED ON THE PT DUE TO BANDING
FEATURES NOT BEING CLEAR CUT.


11.1N at 5pm advisory.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#374 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:49 pm

Continuous firing high-helicity hot tower with a second weaker tower rotating CCW around it.
This will be a doozy.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#375 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:50 pm

I'm not 100% sure, but Latest Satellite loop over the past 2 hours is showing Sam moving slightly South of West . . .
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#376 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:52 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Zonacane wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:So what you’re saying is, it has a partial eyewall, but still has a bit more development to do?

I'm saying Sam is a hurricane

In due time. I like the convective pattern developing on the northern side, but so far the only evidence I see is a raw adt of 4.1, which isn’t conclusive enough for an upgrade. Could do it overnight though. I’m personally thinking we’ll see the first hints of a clearing eye on vis and Ir around daybreak tomorrow.

Lot of improvement in the last hour. It ain’t no pinhole, but at this rate, the eye will clear out a lot earlier than daybreak, so I’ll have to take that part back. I bet the nhc will go with 70kt at 11.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#377 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:54 pm

Eye Feature already on IR? :eek:

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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#378 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm

This will be approaching the islands under the best looking ARWB I have seen in a long time.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#379 Postby Ubuntwo » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:56 pm

Iceresistance wrote:I'm not 100% sure, but Latest Satellite loop over the past 2 hours is showing Sam moving slightly South of West . . .

As Blown Away pointed out, the latest SAB fix supports a southward component.
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Re: ATL: SAM - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#380 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:58 pm

GCANE wrote:This will be approaching the islands under the best looking ARWB I have seen in a long time.

How high do you think the ceiling is for Sam, and what are your comment on the potential TUTT and bit of shear early next week?
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