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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#921 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:09 pm

Weather Dude wrote:I don't really see anything holding this back from becoming a major, and maybe a pretty formidable one.


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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#922 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:13 pm

For a Texas landfall you would at least think one major model would show a change and now none of them do! Idk I think it will blow up in a few hours and start RI which could throw the models off a little but that’s a huge shift north for Texas to be back in to play!!
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#923 Postby aspen » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:20 pm

Weather Dude wrote:I don't really see anything holding this back from becoming a major, and maybe a pretty formidable one.

The only potential limitation I see is time between landfalls. It’ll have roughly 36-42 hours between now and the Yucatán landfall, and then 30-36 hours between that and the Veracruz landfall. It’ll also have to rebuild its core after the Yucatán. Still, with such a good starting point right now, 36-42 hours is a lot of time for something nasty to explode. I think Grace will reach her peak in the WCar and not the BoC.

That PVS has had negligible impact on Grace and will soon be eroded away, so shear probably won’t be an issue.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#924 Postby SoupBone » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:29 pm

jaguars_22 wrote:For a Texas landfall you would at least think one major model would show a change and now none of them do! Idk I think it will blow up in a few hours and start RI which could throw the models off a little but that’s a huge shift north for Texas to be back in to play!!


I've been pretty impressed at the GFS and yes, even the Euro within the 5 day window. Even the Canadian and others have performed well within 5 days for Grace.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#925 Postby kevin » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:30 pm

I'm getting the same feeling that I had early on during Delta last year and I don't like it one bit. This could be a nasty one.
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#926 Postby tolakram » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:34 pm

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#927 Postby Hammy » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:34 pm

Seems like Elsa really was a foreshadowing to how this particular track can aide in organizing a disorganized system. The physics here really is amazing given this looked a few days ago like it wouldn't last long.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#928 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:37 pm

On the 500mb charts for each model I do see that the high retro grades back to the east once grace is in the Campeche. Question is does it feel the weakness? If it was a strong storm and misses the Yucatán than I would be worried in Texas!
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#929 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:42 pm

kevin wrote:I'm getting the same feeling that I had early on during Delta last year and I don't like it one bit. This could be a nasty one.


As long as Grace is large enough and is able to clear an eye, a sudden but small increase in mid-level shear like what happened with Delta (that ultimately ruined the storm) would theoretically speaking be less likely to adversely affect a well-developed storm.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#930 Postby ElectricStorm » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:57 pm

45kts/1003mb at newest advisory
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#931 Postby aspen » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:59 pm

Weather Dude wrote:45kts/1003mb at newest advisory

I’m surprised they still haven’t bumped it up to 50 kt as supported by recon.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#932 Postby tailgater » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:00 pm

Mission 10 and 11 headed to Grace, anyone want to take a shot at what the first VDM will have. My guess
SLP 1008
Flight level max 75 mph
SFMR 55mph
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#934 Postby Nimbus » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:10 pm

The city of Cozumel is on the western shore of the island and has survived plenty of Cat 1-2 hurricanes.
Jamaica has if anything tightened up Grace circulation and I wouldn't doubt there could be rapid intensification before reaching the Yucatan.
NHC hasn't said anything about the ridge migrating yet so the cone is the official cone.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#935 Postby AtlanticWind » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:39 pm

I think the 36 hours over the Western Carribean is unfortunately plenty
of time for Grace to become a major. It will be interesting to see the structure
Wednesday morning, if it is what I am expecting things will be in place for an R.I.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#936 Postby aspen » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:58 pm

Recon is once again finding 50-55 kt FL and SFMR winds. Grace is just begging to be upgraded.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#937 Postby Keldeo1997 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:13 pm

 https://twitter.com/woodberrywx/status/1427753668758097921




Its frightening to think that we might actually have a storm that could take full advantage of this....

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#939 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:19 pm

Hard to believe that since 2008 it had been 13 years until a season that featured formidable major hurricanes in the WCAR (with that season being last year) and now this year looks to be willing to follow 2020's footsteps in generating dangerous WCAR storms.
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Re: ATL: GRACE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#940 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:22 pm

tailgater wrote:Mission 10 and 11 headed to Grace, anyone want to take a shot at what the first VDM will have. My guess
SLP 1008
Flight level max 75 mph
SFMR 55mph


I'm gonna say
SLP 999
FLW 75
SFMR 65
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