Blix Says" Real Iraqi Disarmament

[StormCrazyIowan]

I agree mf, this is a debate, and we are supposed to be civil and friendly to one another! Problems that this world is facing today very well could have been started in the beginning as a result of flaring tempers! Let's do the right thing here and turn the other cheek and have respect for the fellow posters, even if we do not agree with the posts!

[firefighter16]

Is it getting hot in here? Do I smell smoke?

[rainstorm]

bush's dalays have caused this!. no more debate in tukish parliament till tuesday. bush is twisting in the wind, and it is his own fault

[mf_dolphin]

Rainstorm, Turkey did not vote no. Even though there were more votes in favor than opposed there weren't enough to pass and so there will be another vote. Just wanted to set the record straight.

Bush is far from twisting in the wind IMO. If he hadn't gone to the UN he would have been accused of bypassing the UN. What he's done is show the UN as being unwilling to back their own resolutions and therefore not worthy of our time and effort.

The only reason that Saddam has done anything at all is the 200,000 US troops along his borders. With the news yesterday that the 101st Airmodile Division has actually started moving out is a very clear indication that war is just around the corner. President Bush has stated from the very beginning that the US would disarm Saddam if the UN didn't. Saddam should have no doubt that he will do exactly that and neither should you....

[rainstorm]

Rainstorm, Turkey did not vote no. Even though there were more votes in favor than opposed there weren't enough to pass and so there will be another vote. Just wanted to set the record straight.

Bush is far from twisting in the wind IMO. If he hadn't gone to the UN he would have been accused of bypassing the UN. What he's done is show the UN as being unwilling to back their own resolutions and therefore not worthy of our time and effort.

The only reason that Saddam has done anything at all is the 200,000 US troops along his borders. With the news yesterday that the 101st Airmodile Division has actually started moving out is a very clear indication that war is just around the corner. President Bush has stated from the very beginning that the US would disarm Saddam if the UN didn't. Saddam should have no doubt that he will do exactly that and neither should you....

and effort then why are we still begging them to support us? now i hear that we may compromise with the french and give saddam a deadline to comply. in other words bush lied. saddam gets another last last last last last last last last last last last last chance. plus, we already know that as that deadline gets close saddam will do just enough to get another last last last last last last last last last last last last last chance. bush is worse than clinton. clinton did not beg the un to like us. the longer he delays, the more support for the "war" will evaporate. delays and more delays. now, it will be till tuesday for another turkish vote, and 2 weeks before troops are ready after they land. (if they land at all). that means mid march if everything goes perfect. of course, there will be even more delays. bush needs to simply pull the trigger. now!!!!

[mf_dolphin]

Rainstorm - bush is worse than clinton. clinton did not beg the un to like us. the longer he delays, the more support for the "war" will evaporate. delays and more delays. now, it will be till tuesday for another turkish vote, and 2 weeks before troops are ready after they land. (if they land at all). that means mid march if everything goes perfect. of course, there will be even more delays.

You seem to have a very very short memory. Clinton didn't do anything except launch a couple of missiles. The fact that we are even here is because Clinton and the UN did nothing to force the issue when the inspectors were kicked out of the country years ago. Would you rather that we just did nothing? Everything that has happened is because we have troops on Saddams borders right now.

If you are trying to make a point please at least try to make it with logic and facts instead on emotion alone. To classify what Bush is doing as "Begging" is both inaccurate and uninformed.

I can't comment on the compromise because I haven't read anything about it and you didn't quote your source of information.

[cycloneye]

Rainstorm you heard that the US and France will compromise???????

But where did you heard it because I haved seen every news site and any of them says nothing in that regard.

[mf_dolphin]

Me neither Cycloneye... maybe just a rumour. I just don't see Bush working a deal with the frogs.

[JQ Public]

EVER! I do not vote for wussies, like the Republocrats. No wonder why I do not believe in democracy. Elected officials do not have the backbone to actually look out for our national security. Instead, they have an ego problem of wanting to be well liked. Well, Bush (yes, I show him less respect than Saddam Hussein does), you failed to act, you had your chance. Thanks for wasting my tax dollars. Thank you for deploying one of my best friends for no friggen reason.

What would you rather have anarchy...where everyone can do what they want. I don't think we'll get anywhere that way. I feel like taking over SC today...hhah. Oh well and if you don't believe in democracy why are you voting?

But really, now they are talking about another 4-6 weeks!! This is insane...i remember hearing a definite war in February from y'all...then March...now it doesn't look like we may see one till the beginning or MIDDLE of April. Insane, but maybe he is starting to realize this war is not the top concern with most americans.

[rainstorm]

is working out a face saving deal with bush. saddam will agree to totally disarm and bush will claim victory because he moved all the troops there. of course, we know saddam will no more live up to that than he has lived up to any promises. this was on fox news yesterday. the turkish vote was a body blow to bush. this was caused by bush's endless delays. this is a major blow to the war. the turkish vote will invigorate the anti-war forces.
the problem bush faces is that he has made saddam into hitler. if he backs down now his whole presidency is done. he will get *0* on his tax plan. the dems will not confirm a single one of his judges. the dems have already made the rule 60 votes are needed to confirm his judges. bush will lead the republicans into an electoral disaster in 2004. interesting, as i sit here i am listening to fox and the consesnus is that we waited too long to start the war. we look like fools with our troops sitting in ships off the turkish coast. fly then into northern iraq, mr bush!! do something!!

[Derek Ortt]

What would you rather have anarchy...where everyone can do what they want. I don't think we'll get anywhere that way. I feel like taking over SC today...hhah. Oh well and if you don't believe in democracy why are you voting?

But really, now they are talking about another 4-6 weeks!! This is insane...i remember hearing a definite war in February from y'all...then March...now it doesn't look like we may see one till the beginning or MIDDLE of April. Insane, but maybe he is starting to realize this war is not the top concern with most americans.


I vote because that is the only way to bring about change, and as it should be in a country where democracy has been established. I may not like the system, though that's what we have and that is what one has ot work with in order to bring about change. Those who use other means are nothing but criminals (such as the seperatist groups with their violent tactics).

Now, am I a commie, no. I detest Communism more than anything else as it stifles personal ambition

[Arizwx]

is working out a face saving deal with bush. saddam will agree to totally disarm and bush will claim victory because he moved all the troops there. of course, we know saddam will no more live up to that than he has lived up to any promises. this was on fox news yesterday. the turkish vote was a body blow to bush. this was caused by bush's endless delays. this is a major blow to the war. the turkish vote will invigorate the anti-war forces.
the problem bush faces is that he has made saddam into hitler. if he backs down now his whole presidency is done. he will get *0* on his tax plan. the dems will not confirm a single one of his judges. the dems have already made the rule 60 votes are needed to confirm his judges. bush will lead the republicans into an electoral disaster in 2004. interesting, as i sit here i am listening to fox and the consesnus is that we waited too long to start the war. we look like fools with our troops sitting in ships off the turkish coast. fly then into northern iraq, mr bush!! do something!!

Bravo 'JX'!!!Errr,Rainstorm!!Er,I meant 'Dama'..Whatever..Bravo!
Well thought out post.Very well done,inlight of the fact that so much of what I have seen as of late has led me to the same school of thought.That is,Bush MUST look good.I mean Right Now.Otherwise,he is the Father's son,the One Hit Wonderboy,done politically.He IMHO..should go back to the MEDIA.Go in front of TV Cameras,and speak.Not Rumsfeld,Not Franks,Not Cheney,Not Powell.The President.State the case...again and again and again.
Furthermore,my concern is and has been Al Qeada.Secondly Homeland Defense,Emerg Response/Preparedness on a State/Local level.Third,Our leaking Borders.
Forth,The Economy.Hmmmm.I didn't mention until much later, Hitler...er I mean Adolf,Whatever...Saddam.

[Stephanie]

quote: "Mr Ortt, I have been reading with distain your ugly rants as of late. They smack of hatred,bigotry and violence. Fine,have your pinion. However,this quote that I have chosen that was authored by you goes over the top. If I may illustrate the point by use of an excerpt: "The only good Hans Blix at this point seems to be a dead one..." This sort of nonsense is so absurd it only proves the extent of your hatred, ignorance and if I may say a butchering of the written word.

Your friend who was deployed to the Middle East, IMO,should be sent a copy of this thread. Let him read your nonsense. Then, let it be known, that I was a former Naval Officer(Lt Commander) in the United States Navy, WPAC Fleet/Fighter Squadron), Gulf of Tonkin/South China Sea.
IF I had a triggerhappy fool blowhard,such as you appear in my Wing..I would have had your Chops busted down to Swab decks on garbage Scows and Clean rusted scupper bildge off the coast of Antartica, that is IF I had not been successful in a dishonorable discharge wrapped up in a nice bow for you, or worse, a Section 8".

WELL SAID DJ!

I have for weeks been totally disgusted by some of the rantings of some that have even hinted at perhaps those that were of the opposite opinion that they are siding with Saddam Hussein and that their opinions were even treasoness.

Mr. Bush has at least forced Iraq to allow the inspectors come in and do their job. Those 100 missles are being destroyed as we speak. However, I think that he's painted himself into this corner without even the slightest thought that he might be wrong or that he will fail. He didn't give himself an excape route.

[mf_dolphin]

Stephanie, I'm glad that the missiles are being destroyed too even though from a military standpoint they are fairly insignificant by themselves. Only when coupled with a nuclear, chemical, or biological warhead do they represent a real danger. Does anyone here think that the inspectors would be in Iraq now if President Bush hadn't massed our forces around Iraq?

The cold cruel reality is that the inspectors are not doing their job. Their job is to verify the dismantling of Saddam's weapons programs based on information that Iraq supplies. A full and complete disclosure was to have been made months ago. According to Blix's own reports that information has not been supplied. Saddam once again is standing in open defiance of the resolutions and must be stopped.

[Stephanie]

quote: "Mr. Bush has at least forced Iraq to allow the inspectors come in and do their job. Those 100 missles are being destroyed as we speak. However, I think that he's painted himself into this corner without even the slightest thought that he might be wrong or that he will fail. He didn't give himself an excape route".

That's kind of what I said Marshall. If those missles were insignificant, then why were they banned in the first place? It's better than nothing and I believe that all the things that have been unearthed so far by the inspectors is good and has raised suspicion around the world. I believe that they will want to see if the inspectors uncover more bombs, etc.

[mf_dolphin]

The missles were banned because of two reasons. 1. Missiles that exceed the designated range are only good for offensive purposes. Iraq was allow missles only for defensive reasons. 2. Nated with a chemical, biologic or nuclear weapon they present a threat to neighboring countries.

The idea of 1441 was not to unearth his weapons programs but to verify the destruction of weapons programs and material. Saddam was to have made a full disclosure. It hasn't happened and won't happen. Saddam will just drag this out until people lose interest.

[Stephanie]

I understand Marshall, but still, isn't it a good thing that they've been discovered and are now being destroyed? Blix has been very fair and honest when he has issued his reports on what they have found/not found in Iraq and what has been missing in their declaration. I think they are doing their job.

[mf_dolphin]

My point is Saddam is not doing his.... When people say that the inspectors need to keep digging, that is not their job and they can not be successful that way. Iraq is the size of California. There is no way they can find what Saddam doesn't want them to find

[Stephanie]

I agree Marshall. Actually, the inspectors are doing two jobs when you think about it.

[JQ Public]

As he said war was the last resort and it looks like things are starting to work. At least he is destroying the missile.