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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#641 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:51 am

SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph

Huh? Maybe in IR but Visible looks just about what an intensifying storm should look like.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#642 Postby Weatherwatcher2018 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:51 am

SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph


What does this mean for Barbados
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#643 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:53 am

SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph


What’s funny is this how HWRF IR satellite predication had it about now. It looked like a broken up mess before it really starts to wrap later today and this evening.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#644 Postby tailgater » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:53 am


Wait what, weaker storm more to the Nw while stronger one more west, I didn’t see that coming
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#645 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:53 am

If anything seems to be getting better organized to me. Convection working its way over the center. Not really expecting any RI but probably some slow strengthening.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#646 Postby aspen » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:54 am

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SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph

Huh? Maybe in IR but Visible looks just about what an intensifying storm should look like.

IR imagery for most storms under like Category 2 intensity looks much worse than their visible satellite imagery. Case in point: Dorian starting RI into a major north of the Greater Antilles. It looked awful on IR despite actually intensifying quite a lot.

Yeah, Elsa did look better earlier, but it has improved from when the circulation was more exposed. Convection is trying to cover up and pull in the LLC.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#647 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:58 am

aspen wrote:
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SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph

Huh? Maybe in IR but Visible looks just about what an intensifying storm should look like.

IR imagery for most storms under like Category 2 intensity looks much worse than their visible satellite imagery. Case in point: Dorian starting RI into a major north of the Greater Antilles. It looked awful on IR despite actually intensifying quite a lot.

Yeah, Elsa did look better earlier, but it has improved from when the circulation was more exposed. Convection is trying to cover up and pull in the LLC.


Just still trying to rap my head around how fast this is moving. No way it can intensify further going that fast
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#648 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:58 am

eastcoastFL wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph


What’s funny is this how HWRF IR satellite predication had it about now. It looked like a broken up mess before it really starts to wrap later today and this evening.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_4.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_3.png



Yep, so far the HWRF has been pretty spot on.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#649 Postby DestinHurricane » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:59 am

aspen wrote:
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SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph

Huh? Maybe in IR but Visible looks just about what an intensifying storm should look like.

IR imagery for most storms under like Category 2 intensity looks much worse than their visible satellite imagery. Case in point: Dorian starting RI into a major north of the Greater Antilles. It looked awful on IR despite actually intensifying quite a lot.

Yeah, Elsa did look better earlier, but it has improved from when the circulation was more exposed. Convection is trying to cover up and pull in the LLC.


Exactly. At this stage, you hardly should be looking at IR when there's visible available. Visible will tell you much more about a storm than IR. If we're talking a major hurricane, that's a different story but clearly this is not to that point yet, and may not ever be.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#650 Postby presidentofyes12 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:00 am

eastcoastFL wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph


What’s funny is this how HWRF IR satellite predication had it about now. It looked like a broken up mess before it really starts to wrap later today and this evening.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_4.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_3.png


Looks... very accurate, scarily accurate
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#651 Postby Kazmit » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:03 am

presidentofyes12 wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Looks horrible satellite appearance has really degraded. Insane it’s Rocketing at 30 mph


What’s funny is this how HWRF IR satellite predication had it about now. It looked like a broken up mess before it really starts to wrap later today and this evening.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_4.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_3.png


Looks... very accurate, scarily accurate

I remember HWRF being super accurate last season a lot of the time, like with Laura and Eta.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#652 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:07 am

Kazmit wrote:
presidentofyes12 wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
What’s funny is this how HWRF IR satellite predication had it about now. It looked like a broken up mess before it really starts to wrap later today and this evening.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_4.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hwrf/2021070106/hwrf_satIR_05L_3.png


Looks... very accurate, scarily accurate

I remember HWRF being super accurate last season a lot of the time, like with Laura and Eta.

Sally too. It nailed that last second intensification.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#653 Postby tolakram » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:12 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#654 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:13 am


LLC is running away from the MLC again.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#655 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:13 am

Seems to me like still a broad closed surface circulation over all with perhaps LL vortices rotating around it.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#656 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:17 am

NDG wrote:Seems to me like still a broad closed surface circulation over all with perhaps LL vortices rotating around it.

https://i.imgur.com/68LlOsH.gif

It's easier to pinpoint it though, LLC is just barely under that convection.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#657 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:18 am

For those interested on recon, go to the ELSA Recon thread to see a lot on todays TCPOD.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#658 Postby SouthDadeFish » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:26 am

Looks pretty disorganized to me. Low-level vortex is elongated W-E with convectively-generated mesovortices rotating around the eastern and northern sides. Until convection can wrap around the northern side of this, or the center reforms, I think it will struggle.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#659 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:30 am

Another look zoomed out, longer loop. It definitely has a closed circulation centered just west of the convection.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#660 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:30 am

The center is quite clear and quite well defined. it has popped out from the convection..

BUT.. it is moving WSW. Likely a small organizational cyclonic loop..

Should be interesting to see what happens when it rotates back SE into the convection..

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