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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#641 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:29 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
GCANE wrote:Recon pulling up to 700mb
They are flying hurricane mode now.

Or maybe they're done?


Yup, they're done
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#642 Postby StormSkeptic » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
GCANE wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:How low?


29.70" and falling

Recon has found 997 MB at the reformed center


Pretty impressive drop in pressure, 6 mb, in about 2,5 hrs. Especially considering the structure is not all that great (yet).
Center Fix Pressure
18:21 1003
19:14 1000
20:50 997
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#643 Postby underthwx » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:30 pm

GCANE wrote:Just about off-scale on radar.
Going into the night and the upper-tropopshere cooling off rapidly, spells very good probability of quick intensification overnight.
Being over that cold pool means very little inhibition, it can strengthen under some pretty strong shear.
It can sustain itself as long as the cold pool remains intact.

https://i.imgur.com/Pfj4vt2.jpg


Do you feel that will happen Gcane?
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#644 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:31 pm

They left just as we needed them the most!

NOAA2 Mission #3 into ZETA
Type: Low-level Reconnaissance | Status: Finished
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#646 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:32 pm

underthwx wrote:
GCANE wrote:Just about off-scale on radar.
Going into the night and the upper-tropopshere cooling off rapidly, spells very good probability of quick intensification overnight.
Being over that cold pool means very little inhibition, it can strengthen under some pretty strong shear.
It can sustain itself as long as the cold pool remains intact.

https://i.imgur.com/Pfj4vt2.jpg


Do you feel that will happen Gcane?


Likely in the W Carib.
Not sure in the GoM though.
Need to think that thru more.
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#647 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:32 pm


Is the Gulf Coast landfall zone is close to Laura & Delta?
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#648 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:34 pm

GCANE wrote:
underthwx wrote:
GCANE wrote:Just about off-scale on radar.
Going into the night and the upper-tropopshere cooling off rapidly, spells very good probability of quick intensification overnight.
Being over that cold pool means very little inhibition, it can strengthen under some pretty strong shear.
It can sustain itself as long as the cold pool remains intact.

https://i.imgur.com/Pfj4vt2.jpg


Do you feel that will happen Gcane?


Likely in the W Carib.
Not sure in the GoM though.
Need to think that thru more.

Only Time will tell on this one, do you have more rain rate radar?
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#649 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:37 pm

StormSkeptic wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
GCANE wrote:
29.70" and falling

Recon has found 997 MB at the reformed center


Pretty impressive drop in pressure, 6 mb, in about 2,5 hrs. Especially considering the structure is not all that great (yet).
Center Fix Pressure
18:21 1003
19:14 1000
20:50 997

The fact that it's doing this with a less-than ideal structure is very concerning. Imagine what it can do when it's fully stacked.
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#650 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:39 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
GCANE wrote:
underthwx wrote:
Do you feel that will happen Gcane?


Likely in the W Carib.
Not sure in the GoM though.
Need to think that thru more.

Only Time will tell on this one, do you have more rain rate radar?


This is the latest rain rate I have.
It's not letting up.

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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#651 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:42 pm

GCANE wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
GCANE wrote:
Likely in the W Carib.
Not sure in the GoM though.
Need to think that thru more.

Only Time will tell on this one, do you have more rain rate radar?


This is the latest rain rate I have.
It's not letting up.

https://i.imgur.com/BwAnHA7.png

The rain rate is now larger, & more lightning
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#652 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:45 pm

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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#653 Postby Frank2 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:47 pm

They left just as we needed them the most!


Fuel budget requirement for the trip back to Lakeland. I was an observer on a HH flight many moons ago - the TS center was offshore Havana so we were close enough that fuel wasn't an issue getting back to Key West or Miami...
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#654 Postby Blinhart » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:49 pm

Has any state ever had 5 landfalling systems in one season??? Louisiana can't get out of the cross-hairs, it is time for 2020 to end.
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#655 Postby aspen » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:49 pm

Weather Dude wrote:
StormSkeptic wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Recon has found 997 MB at the reformed center


Pretty impressive drop in pressure, 6 mb, in about 2,5 hrs. Especially considering the structure is not all that great (yet).
Center Fix Pressure
18:21 1003
19:14 1000
20:50 997

The fact that it's doing this with a less-than ideal structure is very concerning. Imagine what it can do when it's fully stacked.

That’s a deepening rate of 2.4 mb/hr. Let’s say that intensification rate remains constant for the next 30 hours before landfall...Zeta would peak in the 920s as a Cat 4/5 hurricane.

I’m not saying this is gonna be a Cat 5, but if it continues this rate and vertically stacks, then a major is a pretty good possibility.
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#656 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:51 pm


Insane, if this stacks it could become an upper echelon hurricane so let’s hope the northerly shear continues
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#657 Postby underthwx » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:59 pm

aspen wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:
StormSkeptic wrote:
Pretty impressive drop in pressure, 6 mb, in about 2,5 hrs. Especially considering the structure is not all that great (yet).
Center Fix Pressure
18:21 1003
19:14 1000
20:50 997

The fact that it's doing this with a less-than ideal structure is very concerning. Imagine what it can do when it's fully stacked.

That’s a deepening rate of 2.4 mb/hr. Let’s say that intensification rate remains constant for the next 30 hours before landfall...Zeta would peak in the 920s as a Cat 4/5 hurricane.

I’m not saying this is gonna be a Cat 5, but if it continues this rate and vertically stacks, then a major is a pretty good possibility.


What are the sustained winds at now?.....
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#658 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:00 pm

underthwx wrote:
aspen wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:The fact that it's doing this with a less-than ideal structure is very concerning. Imagine what it can do when it's fully stacked.

That’s a deepening rate of 2.4 mb/hr. Let’s say that intensification rate remains constant for the next 30 hours before landfall...Zeta would peak in the 920s as a Cat 4/5 hurricane.

I’m not saying this is gonna be a Cat 5, but if it continues this rate and vertically stacks, then a major is a pretty good possibility.


What are the sustained winds at now?.....

50 mph right now
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#659 Postby Ian2401 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:00 pm

so the center has reformed / is still reforming to the SE. how does this affect future trajectory? i would think it would lead to perhaps and earlier NE ejection? need someone smarter to explain
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Re: ATL: ZETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#660 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:08 pm

Ian2401 wrote:so the center has reformed / is still reforming to the SE. how does this affect future trajectory? i would think it would lead to perhaps and earlier NE ejection? need someone smarter to explain

I came up with this: If Zeta keeps having a center reformation, the system will be forced farther east with a ridge, introducing the possiblity of a Florida landfall because the ridge is slowly moving east along the Gulf of Mexico.
Because of center reformation, the system either slows down or speeds up, Zeta's reformation is slowing it down since it's more south.
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