Trough of low pressure in Western Caribbean (Is Invest 95L)

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#921 Postby SouthFLTropics » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:45 pm

Jr0d wrote:
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Jr0d wrote:Given how poor the models have been sniffing out genesis, one can make the argument a storm is more likely now given the lack of model support today.

If nothing develops, it will have to be a Storm2k record for a phantom storm!

This has already well surpassed pre-Teddy’s thread. Once those Hurricane Maria 2.0 runs came out, we went nuts.


At least those ended up developing into something. This one has an 80% chance of being nothing per the NHC, so this would be the biggest thread for a phantom storm.by a long shot.

That said, looking at the ensembles, there is still a readonable chance of something forming.

With 94L underperforming so far, it might mean this area will eventually get there. The model trend has been showing a stronger 94L equating to a weaker SW Carib signature and vice versa.

Way too many varibles. 20 years ago there would never have even been a discussion about potential development here.


This is a very true statement. How spoiled we have gotten with all of our latest technology and nonstop models to stare at every six hours. Twenty years ago we would have just been waiting for the Tropical Update from John Hope at 50 minutes past the hour. I think when the models are teasing us, sometimes it's best just to sit back and watch what evolves on the satellite for the next few days. Perhaps the GFS is dropping this in the mid-range like it has done before. Perhaps not. I'm still onboard with something forming, just not the monster cane that the GFS was showing for many runs in a row. I could see a TS or Cat 1 like Irene come out of there eventually.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#922 Postby aspen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:16 pm

I’m guessing an Irene ‘99 redux is the most likely option as of now, barring any quick random spin-up much earlier in the week. Something that forms close to Cuba and peaks in the Bahamas or mid-latitudes could add on another 10, maybe 15 units of ACE, depend on how strong it gets. Quicker development and a Cat 2 peak would have a better shot at 15, and a major at any point in its journey could get 20 or more ACE.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#923 Postby SFLcane » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:16 pm

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#924 Postby Jr0d » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:35 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:
This is a very true statement. How spoiled we have gotten with all of our latest technology and nonstop models to stare at every six hours. Twenty years ago we would have just been waiting for the Tropical Update from John Hope at 50 minutes past the hour. I think when the models are teasing us, sometimes it's best just to sit back and watch what evolves on the satellite for the next few days. Perhaps the GFS is dropping this in the mid-range like it has done before. Perhaps not. I'm still onboard with something forming, just not the monster cane that the GFS was showing for many runs in a row. I could see a TS or Cat 1 like Irene come out of there eventually.


Another possible analog(but likely much weaker) would be Michelle in 2001.

We shall see what happens in the days ahead. Now there are extremely disorganized storms down in the Caribbean. Maybe they will persist and start showing signs of the gyre and eventually something organized in the days/week ahead.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#925 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:17 pm

This ship has sailed! Time to start tracking down potential cold fronts for Florida. The weather in at least this part of the state has been extremely wet and dreary since the month began.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#926 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:20 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:This ship has sailed! Time to start tracking down potential cold fronts for Florida. The weather in at least this part of the state has been extremely wet and dreary since the month began.

Woah now... a little early for that lol. We ain't done here yet :lol:
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#927 Postby emeraldislenc » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:24 pm

I agree with the person who mentioned John Hope. He was the best. I always watched him at 50 past the hour. I learned so much from him!
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#928 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:28 pm

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TheStormExpert wrote:This ship has sailed! Time to start tracking down potential cold fronts for Florida. The weather in at least this part of the state has been extremely wet and dreary since the month began.

Woah now... a little early for that lol. We ain't done here yet :lol:

Not really. It was figment of the GFS’s imagination. Not the first time and likely not the last. Maybe something eventually does come out of the Western Caribbean in November but I wouldn’t loose sleep over it.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#929 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:31 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
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TheStormExpert wrote:This ship has sailed! Time to start tracking down potential cold fronts for Florida. The weather in at least this part of the state has been extremely wet and dreary since the month began.

Woah now... a little early for that lol. We ain't done here yet :lol:

Not really. It was figment of the GFS’s imagination. Not the first time and likely not the last. Maybe something eventually does come out of the Western Caribbean in November but I wouldn’t loose sleep over it.

The models have been off both ways this season. It's still highlighted by NHC, the precursor low is still expected to develop, and its in the very warm Western Caribbean... so it definitely still needs to be watched. Not to mention other models besides the GFS now show development
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#930 Postby blp » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:34 pm

Euro ensembles showing activity and a little stronger.

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#931 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:36 pm

Here comes the 0z GFS, let's see what it does this time
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#932 Postby blp » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:01 pm

FWIW the 18z Navgem has weak development as it approaches western Cuba.

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#933 Postby caneman » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:09 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
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TheStormExpert wrote:This ship has sailed! Time to start tracking down potential cold fronts for Florida. The weather in at least this part of the state has been extremely wet and dreary since the month began.

Woah now... a little early for that lol. We ain't done here yet :lol:

Not really. It was figment of the GFS’s imagination. Not the first time and likely not the last. Maybe something eventually does come out of the Western Caribbean in November but I wouldn’t loose sleep over it.


Do you have anything to back it up? If not, I'll take a hard pass on the opinion. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the season is dead.... In such a hyperactive season, coupled with NHC's idea that something might still form and a couple models predicting some type of development, I think I'll keep an eye out.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#934 Postby ElectricStorm » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:27 pm

0z GFS run seems a little suspect to me. It seems like it can't decide whether to spin the low up in the Atl. or the EPAC. The GFS has had an issue this season showing phantom EPAC storms, and since the La Nina favors the Atlantic side, I'm not buying anything it has trying to form in the EPAC right now.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#935 Postby blp » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:46 pm

CMC drops it favoring the western gyre.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#936 Postby FireRat » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:03 am

I can see why some can get frustrated with this model trend and want to cancel the season or say it's completely over. While tempted I may be as well, I think I'll just look at the Caribbean's satellite over the next few days, and see if anything happens (my expectations are not really high tbh). The models are certainly having wonky 2020 issues, can't seem to get their vision straight!

Those of you in FL might get lucky yet again with this if it goes your way weakened or never forms or misses. Oct 25 is basically the cutoff date for historical majors striking the peninsula, as well as the majority of hurricane strikes in the CONUS. Good luck with the cold fronts, hopefully the NAO doesn't decide to duck you guys over come Dec-Jan after being negative this month.

Caribbean on the other hand, I've got a feeling you'll get several threats between now and Nov 30... Central America, Jamaica Cuba and maybe east to Hispaniola or even the eastern Caribbean islands (Lenny - type stuff) mainly because of the La Nina.

Oh well, the original genesis date (10/19) is at hand, time to grab a drink and watch the Caribbean. :37:
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#937 Postby Jr0d » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:54 am

Still at 20%. I suppose the ensembles are keeping it alive in the eyes of the NHC. Still nothing there, the very disorganized storms from yesterday have almost completely vanished.

This is shaping to be the most discussed ghost storm in Storm2k history.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#938 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:16 am

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#939 Postby cp79 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:25 am

For what it’s worth, the Para still gives it life. Has it entering the Gulf, albeit as a TS and then swept East by the front. I think everyone should keep an eye on it, but don’t become obsessed with a storm forming down there bc it simply may not.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#940 Postby blp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:30 am

The 00z UKMET 6 days out still has a weak low over the western tip of Cuba. It is slightly stronger vorticity than the previous 12z. I still think we are going to get something out of this.

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