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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#221 Postby Fancy1001 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:01 pm

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shah83 wrote:The thing I'd be worried about most is a slowdown or stall around the yucatan channel, because that would allow a stronger storm hitting Florida and maybe a nor'easter hybrid storm up the east coast.

I'm getting worried about a Wilma type set up.

A Wilma setup would require a stronger trough and we aren’t seeing that at the moment.

I meant in terms of the possibility for explosive deepening, not the path.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#222 Postby crimi481 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:02 pm

Will 26 follow the "new" Gamma? Heading n.e
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#223 Postby GeneratorPower » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:09 pm

Notice there’s another spin just south of Haiti. Is that part of 26?
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#224 Postby chaser1 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:16 pm

"Air Traffic Control to Delta flight 1005, we've got a slight delay and are presently working on moving Gamma off the tarmac. Proceed to taxi WNW to runway 31C and prepare for departure"
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#225 Postby Steve » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:19 pm

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shah83 wrote:The thing I'd be worried about most is a slowdown or stall around the yucatan channel, because that would allow a stronger storm hitting Florida and maybe a nor'easter hybrid storm up the east coast.

I'm getting worried about a Wilma type set up.


I don’t think it can pull out that far south based on coming upper patterns. It would have to be super quick. Some of the models drag a front through a couple days after Delta, so if it was way way slower maybe too. But I would think that if it does take dominance and rotates up through the week, the Gulf somewhere in the current cone looks likely - though to me I’d say probably the eastern side of the cone maybe being more likely.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#226 Postby hurricanehunter69 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:10 am

"The oceanic and atmospheric environment is expected to be quite favorable for both the development and the subsequent strengthening of a tropical cyclone" " The intensity forecast is quite aggressive" " And a peak intensity forecast of 105mph" Rarely...and I mean rarely...does the NHC use wording like this in the ( first/initial ) discussion of a storm. Even Katrina's first advisory was very conservative with a peak forecast of only 70 mph. We need to pray that shear, dry air and cooler shelf waters can take a punch out of this storm on approach? After all, Katrina weakened from a cat 5 to a cat 3 on approach.....pun intended
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#227 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:10 am

St0rmTh0r wrote:The dreaded classic la nina October pattern for a powerful cyclone in the Western Carribean. The theme this year has been storms coming in twos. A weak storm followed by a powerful one. That's an interesting thing to research. Why do storms come in twos?


This year gonna be one interesting post-season analysis..
1. Record-breaking storms
2. Low Ace in comparison
3. They've been coming in twos(I'm wondering if MJO is the cause)
4. Record breaking USA landfalls
5. Intensifying storms upon landfall
6. Little to no impacts in the Lesser Antillies
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#228 Postby Uptownmeow » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:16 am

If this does end up being a SELA storm, I’m worried that folks down here (myself included a little) are just a little complacent with the four previous storms this year that ended up either fizzling out OR going East/west of here.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#229 Postby NXStumpy_Robothing » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:09 am

Going off of purely convective trends, it seems like the system is wanting to consolidate further SSW than may have been initially forecasted. Such a scenario, were it to actually pan out, has some interesting implications on the future track and strength of TD26/Delta.

A starting location further SSW than initially anticipated leads to a few different changes in the short-term (for the sake of this post, I'm considering this duration to be between now and its closest approach to/landfall on Cuba):
1) This creates more of a separation between the center of the developing system and the PV streamer that is currently imparting some northeasterly shear;
2) This also sets the storm more on an angle to mostly avoid the relatively dry air that sits north of Jamaica and on most of Cuba; (both of these first two points could lead to a greater intensification trend sooner)
3) The storm is also slightly further away from the prevailing southeasterly flow, which could also mean a slightly slower motion, giving it a couple of extra hours over the extremely warm NW Caribbean waters;
4) Such a shift in starting location could mean that TD26/Delta may ultimately avoid a landfall on western Cuba, though there's still a good chance this happens.

All of these factors could lead to a stronger system in the short-term, which could allow for the development of a more robust inner core thanks to the factors above and less land interaction.

However, such a scenario also leads to a slightly more unfavorable environment in the mid-term (post-Cuba until Gulf landfall):
1) A storm that is on the southern edge of the cone would be sheared more by the outflow of Gamma as it approaches and passes through the Yucatan Channel;
2) This track would also be more prone to the steering influence of Gamma, which could drag it further westward before it's allowed to move north;
3) It's displaced further from the anticyclone that is forecast to establish itself in the eastern Gulf of Mexico;
4) Such a location could allow the southwesterly flow aloft in the western Gulf of Mexico to disrupt the core of the system more, which could induce a greater weakening trend as it approaches landfall.

There's still a lot up in the air about TD26, but there's a few general statements that we can probably be assured are going to be true; first, this is likely to be a developing storm at or near hurricane strength as it passes near/over the Cayman Islands and Western Cuba; second, it will likely be a strengthening/growing hurricane in the southern Gulf of Mexico in an area of relatively favorable conditions, so something stronger than what is currently forecast is certainly not out of the question; third, a combination of shear and lower SSTs will likely induce a weakening trend as it approaches land, but this is unlikely to occur soon enough to induce enough weakening to reduce the storm to below hurricane strength. Therefore, there's a very good probability that we're looking at a significant hurricane strike on a region that is already weary from having to deal with other threats from this year and years prior. As of right now, the NHC currently predicts a significant event for both Cuba and the Gulf Coast, and there's not much reason to not trust that forecast or evidence indicating that this will not be the case.

In terms of historical analogs, I think there's three good storms to pick from in terms of impacts as sort of reasonable estimates for the level of impact that can be expected in the US (all 3) and for Cuba (the latter two) - Nate 2017 (low to mid-end event), Lili 2002 (mid-end event for the US, mid to upper-end for Cuba), and Gustav 2008 (high to max potential for US and Cuba). Now, it's worth noting that these are not the only possible solutions (or even range of solutions) for TD26; these just provide the best relative range that can probably be expected with the storm as it approaches both Cuba and the United States. Something like Ida 2009 cannot be ruled out for Cuba (or even the US Gulf Coast) in terms of impacts, but this seems to be unlikely based upon model guidance and the forecasted synoptic environment.

One last thing; I feel that it's important to point out that I am not a certified meteorologist (yet) nor do I work at the NHC. I know that many of you are already aware of this, but when preparing for this storm, listen to your local mets and officials, and make sure to heed the warnings of the NHC - they're the best in the world at what they do, after all. If there are any errors, feel free to point them out; I'll fix them when I can. Stay safe everyone, since the 2020 hurricane season doesn't seem like it wants to go quietly. See you all in the morning.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#230 Postby AJC3 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:54 am

NXStumpy_Robothing wrote:Going off of purely convective trends, it seems like the system is wanting to consolidate further SSW than may have been initially forecasted. Such a scenario, were it to actually pan out, has some interesting implications on the future track and strength of TD26/Delta.

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However, such a scenario also leads to a slightly more unfavorable environment in the mid-term (post-Cuba until Gulf landfall):
1) A storm that is on the southern edge of the cone would be sheared more by the outflow of Gamma as it approaches and passes through the Yucatan Channel;
2) This track would also be more prone to the steering influence of Gamma, which could drag it further westward before it's allowed to move north;

3) It's displaced further from the anticyclone that is forecast to establish itself in the eastern Gulf of Mexico;
4) Such a location could allow the southwesterly flow aloft in the western Gulf of Mexico to disrupt the core of the system more, which could induce a greater weakening trend as it approaches landfall.

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Solid post.

One thing I will add is that IMO #1 and #2 are pretty much non-issues now, since Gamma has become completely decoupled. There is (and likely will be) little to no outflow generated by Gamma itself anymore. The larger (synoptic scale) 200mb ridge is much more dominant and is soon to be very favorably cololated with the center of TD 26/Delta as it moves WNW, while Gamma continues to find itself in hostile (and at best marginal in the future) enviromental conditions for the remainder of its existence. And while there will be some binary interaction between the two cyclones once 26/Delta approaches, Gamma will only become weaker/shallower, while 26/Delta becomes vertically deeper and much stronger. This will likely make 26/Delta the more successively dominant steering influence in terms of binary interaction between the two cyclones.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#231 Postby GCANE » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:34 am

Still under the influence of a very strong PV Streamer.
Results in the vort column being heavily tilted south and is evidenced by the convection firing south of the CoC.
The PVS is forecast to dissipate tomorrow and in about 33 hours a very solid, classic warm core will develop according to HWRF.
Just in time for it to ramp up in the West Carib.
Looks like it will really intensify in the mid GOM. (see my post in the Models Thread)
Very likely a major then.

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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#232 Postby GCANE » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:41 am

PVS appears to be filling in some.
Could dissipate by the end of the day.
Recon this afternoon could see it intensify and get named then.


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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#233 Postby Frank P » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:02 am

Looks pretty impressive on the sat IR loops this morning... good convection and rotation around the center... very close to TS status, would expect it to be named by 10 am if it continues to evolve... IMO
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#234 Postby GCANE » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:07 am

Looks like it has a solid pull of high TPW air from the EPAC thru Panama.
Could see a strong feeder band form within 24 hrs

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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#235 Postby Nimbus » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:12 am

Moisture is starting to wrap west over Cuba so PVS probably won't hinder development much after this morning.
Couple of the 0Z and 06Z models tracking landfall a little further west putting NOLA on the strong side of the storm.
Cat 3 hurricanes moving into 26-27C water sometimes maintain for 48 hours so the Cat 2 forecast landfall sounds reasonable. We can hope the Texas Savior Trough arrives early and blows Delta apart but prep for a cat 3 along the northern gulf coast to be safe.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#236 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:17 am

Could this be our first W Carib Monster since 2007? It just has 'the look' of something that is going to bomb out to me. NHC seems to think it is going to have very favorable conditions to work with. I think this has a very decent chance of ending the drought. Hopefully it is far weaker than anticipated by the time it hits land.

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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#237 Postby tolakram » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:18 am

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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#238 Postby GCANE » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 am



Looks like a couple little infeeds already.
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Re: ATL: TWENTY-SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#240 Postby gfsperpendicular » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:25 am

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