ATL: LAURA - Post-Tropical - Discussion
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
145kt FL winds...
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
wkwally wrote:Jim Cantore sounded a little pevved at those who are riding this out in cameron
Good for him! Because those people are obviously on a suicide mission
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
What a crazy storm. After all it's been through and putting in some final strengthening right before landfall, just insane.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
147 knot FL winds with a ton of missing SFMR. We will never know.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
NHC agrees the dropsonde reading was false.
11:00 PM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 29.2°N 93.2°W
Moving: NNW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 938 mb
Max sustained: 150 mph
11:00 PM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 29.2°N 93.2°W
Moving: NNW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 938 mb
Max sustained: 150 mph
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
FLpanhandle91 wrote:Does NHC bite on the dropsonde data and bump to cat 5? I'm thinking 936mb and 155mph for 11PM.
I think 155mph is still technically a cat 4 and I doubt they bump it all the way to 160mph.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
If this is a Cat.5 it’ll most likely get upgraded in post-analysis like Michael did. Though if this was a Cat.5 at landfall that would make a record for the shortest span between two given U.S. Cat.5 strikes which would be less than two years apart.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
There are issues with that sonde:
http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/recon ... -960e-163-
Average Wind Over Lowest Available 150 geopotential meters (gpm) of the sounding:
- Lowest 150m: 235 gpm - 85 gpm (771 geo. feet - 279 geo. feet)
- Wind Direction: 110° (from the ESE)
- Wind Speed: 149 knots (171 mph)
Might have reached 279 geo. feet possibly. There are other issues.
http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/recon ... -960e-163-
Average Wind Over Lowest Available 150 geopotential meters (gpm) of the sounding:
- Lowest 150m: 235 gpm - 85 gpm (771 geo. feet - 279 geo. feet)
- Wind Direction: 110° (from the ESE)
- Wind Speed: 149 knots (171 mph)
Might have reached 279 geo. feet possibly. There are other issues.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
cfisher wrote:What a crazy storm. After all it's been through and putting in some final strengthening right before landfall, just insane.
One for the record books. I'm nervous to see what the aftermath looks like when the sun comes up.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
Sending my best wishes to everyone in the path of Laura. The area there has seen enough, unfortunately they’re a few hours away from another big one.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
Could make an argument for a 936 mb pressure


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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
eastcoastFL wrote:FLpanhandle91 wrote:Does NHC bite on the dropsonde data and bump to cat 5? I'm thinking 936mb and 155mph for 11PM.
I think 155mph is still technically a cat 4 and I doubt they bump it all the way to 160mph.
It is according to this at Weather.gov (https://www.weather.gov/mfl/saffirsimpson ):
Category Five Hurricane
Category 5 Hurricane - Winds 157 mph or higher (137 kt or higher or 252 km/hr or higher).
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
143 knot FL winds in the northeastern eyewall (would reduce down to 130 knots at the surface), SFMR 117 knots (but lots of missing data), 932.6mb extrapolated (before pressure data stopped transmitting), 936mb measured by dropsonde (939mb with 26 knots of wind).
I tend to favour 135 knots for intensity, personally, taking into account the radar data. Seems to be holding steady, possibly slightly intensifying again.
I tend to favour 135 knots for intensity, personally, taking into account the radar data. Seems to be holding steady, possibly slightly intensifying again.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
Have them turn around and do one last pass through the northern eyewall.
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Looks like is strengthening again. 932mb extrap pressure.
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wkwally wrote:Jim Cantore sounded a little pevved at those who are riding this out in cameron
Honestly they’re nuts to be riding a storm of this intensity out. The storm surge will be unsurvivable and wind damage will be catastrophic.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
932.6 extrapolated. maybe some frictional stuff going on
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion
There’s no evidence of sustained Cat 5 level winds. It’s close, but neither the SFMR or the flight level winds justify the upgrade. Without at least one of those showing Cat 5 winds, I doubt Laura will be upgraded in post season analysis. The dropsonde alone is not adequate as winds gusting above 170 mph is expected in a 150 mph Cat 4.
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