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Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#1 Postby cainjamin » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:15 pm

With CSU's August forecast estimating 24 named storms this year, we could be getting into the Greek alphabet for only the second time on record. I think this is a good segue into taking a closer look at how we name storms in the Atlantic (and East Pacific) basins.

With 21 names on a list and 6 lists, we have a total of 126 active names for Atlantic storms. However, out of those 126 names, there are 19 names that have never been used (Van, Wendy, Paulette, Rene, Sally, Teddy, Vicky, Wilfred, Rose, Sam, Teresa, Victor, Wanda, Tobias, Virginie, Walter, Whitney, Valerie and William), not counting retirement replacements who's lists haven't yet been used.

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As coastal population and infrastructure increases, the destructive potential of hurricanes also increases, and we can see this trend in the increasing amount of retired names from the 1950's until today. Interestingly, you can also pick out the quieter period of the 70-80s as well.

What this is leading to is a lot of single letters getting retired, the most obvious being I with 11 retired names (Ione, Inez, Iris, Isidore, Isabel, Ivan, Ike, Igor, Irene, Ingrid & Irma). We are now scraping the barrel of familiar names that start with the letter I.

There are a few ways that we could address these potential problems. One is have the lists rotate through all letters over the course of several hurricane seasons. This system is already what's used in the Western Pacific as well as the Central Pacific. Instead of the end-of-alphabet names being used once a decade, they would likely be used at least once every 2-3 seasons. Another could be to have a back up seventh list of names that only gets used when a season passes the end of its regular list; essentially the Greek alphabet equivalent but real names instead.

Something else to consider, however, is that we can probably to retire less of the early-alphabet names and retire more of the later-alphabet names as we detect and name more storms. Both due to increased activity, but also over time due to improving methods of monitoring tropical cyclones (from ship reports in the 1950s to reconnaissance flights in the 1960s, satellite imagery in the 70s, QuikSCAT and ASCAT etc.). Here's a chart showing that as the decades have gone on, we have shifted from retiring more early letters to letters later in the alphabet.

Not really suggesting anything one way or another - just thought this would be a good place to discuss these types of things, especially with what is looking to be another pretty active season ahead of us.
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#2 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:58 pm

FWIW, I think there are enough I names to survive our great-great-grandkids' grandkids. I can't probably pronounce most of them, and I'm not sure how many are English, Spanish or sometimes French. But they exist.

Here's 500 female from a simple google search

Ia Immy Irmina
Iaera Imo Irmine
Ian Imoen Irminia
Iana Imogen Irminie
Ianna Imogene Irminlinde
Ianthana Imogenia Irsa
Ianthia Imogine Irta
Iara Imojean Irtah
Iaso Imojeen Iruka
Ibbie Imperatrice Irven
Ibby Imperatrix Irvetta
Ibeeria Imperia Irvette
Iberia Imperio Irvine
Ibha Imri Irving
Ibolya Ina Irvyn
Ibtihaj Inah Irwina
Ibtisam Inaia Irwyn
Ica Inara Iryna
Icah Inas Irys
Icelyn Inaya Isa
Icelynn Inbal Isabeau
Ichchani Inbar Isabel
Idaa Inda Isabela
Idai Indah Isabelita
Idal Indalecia Isabell
Idalah Indee Isabella
Idaleen Indeera Isabelle
Idalena Indego Isabelline
Idalene Indi Isabetta
Idalia India Isadora
Idalina Indiana Isak
Idaline Indie Isala
Idalya Indigo Isaline
Idalyne Indira Isamar
Idamae Indra Isannah
Idanelly Indranee Isaura
Idania Indrayani Isaure
Idara Indre Isbel
Idarine Indu Iscah
Ide Indy Iseabail
Idea Indya Isel
Idelisa Ineke Isela
Idell Inell Iselda
Idella Ines Iselin
Idetta Inese Iselle
Idette Inesita Isenham
Idina Inessa Iseult
Idla Inestia Iseut
Idola Inez Isha
Idolina Infiniti Isham
Idonea Infinity Ishana
Idonia Inga Ishani
Idonna Ingaberg Ishbel
Idony Ingaborg Ishhara
Idra Ingaliese Ishi
Idris Ingaret Ishika
Idumea Ingeborg Ishita
Ieasha Ingegerg Ishtar
Ieashia Inger Isidora
Ieesha Ingrid Isidra
Iekeliene Ingunn Isiri
Ienipa Iniga Isis
Ierne Inna Iskra
Iesha Inneke Isla
Ieshia Innga Islay
Ifaion Inngeborg Isle
Ifama Innocenta Isleen
Ife Innogen Ismay
Ifemelu Ino Ismene
Ifetayo Inoa Ismenia
Ifig Inocencia Ismeria
Iga Inocenta Ismerie
Igantia Inocentia Ismi
Igeria Insentica Isobel
Igerna Insha Isobell
Ignacia Inspiration Isobella
Ignatia Inta Isobelle
Ignazia Integrity Isola
Ignia Intira Isold
Igraine Invencion Isolda
Ihilani Invidia Isolde
Ihina Inyx Isolt
Iiaria Io Isolte
Iiay Ioana Isora
Iida Ioanna Isota
Iieen Ioannah Isotta
Iiena IoIanda Isotte
Iiia IoIande Isra
Iiiona IoIanthe Issa
Iika Iola Issabella
Iike Iolana Issie
Iines Iolani Issoria
Iion Iolanta Ita
Iiona Iolantha Itala
Iione Iolanthe Italee
Iiu Iole Itali
Iiva Iolee Italia
Iiysa Ioli Ite
Iiyse Iona Ithaca
Ike Ionia Itidal
Ikea Ionie Itke
Ikshula Ionija Itzayana
Ila Ionya Itzel
Ilana Iora Iúile
Ilaria Iorea Iukika
Ilda Ioree Iulia
Ilde Iorey Iuliana
Ilean Ioria Iulija
Ileana Iorie Iulius
Ileanna Iorra Iva
Ileanne Iotte Ivalo
Ilectra Ioudith Ivaloo
Ileen Ioulia Ivalyn
Ileene Iphigeneia Ivana
Ilena Iphigenia Ivania
Ilene Iphigenie Ivanie
Ilesha Iphimedeia Ivanka
Ilhan Iphinome Ivanna
Iliana Ippolita Ivanya
Iliane Ira Ivar
Ilima Iraida Ivara
Ilione Irati Ivea
Ilis Irayna Ivee
Ilisa Irecia Ivelisse
Ilise Ireda Iverna
Ilisha Ireen Ives
Ilissa Ireene Ivetta
Ilithyia Ireland Ivette
Iljana Irelee ivettea
Ilka Ireleen Ivettica
Illana Irelene Ivey
Illeanne Irelina Ivi
Illia Iren Ivie
Illiana Irena Ivon
Illissa Irene Ivone
Illumination Irenea Ivonette
Illuminée Irenee Ivonne
Illyria Irenka Ivoreen
Illyssa Ireny Ivorie
Ilma Iret Ivory
Ilona Ireta Ivria
Ilonna Irete Ivrit
Ilsa Irett Ivy
Ilse Iria Ivyann
Iluka Iriana Ivyanne
Iluminada Irida Ivye
Ilysa Iride Iwona
Ilyse Iridessa Ixora
Ilyssa Iridia Iyabo
Ima Iridiana Iyana
Imacolata Iridianny Iyonna
Imaculada Irie Izabel
Imagery Irien Izabela
Imagica Irin Izabella
Imagine Irina Izabelle
Imajica Irine Izar
Imala Irini Izara
Iman Iris Izaro
Imani Irisa Izdihar
Imara Irisha Izetta
Imelda Iriss Izmet
Imelde Irja Izna
Imena Irma Izola
Imiza Irmelin Izusa
Immaculada Irmen Izzi
Immaculata Irmgarde Izzy
Immilla Irmhild
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#3 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:00 pm

I’zell Ilyas Isac
Iacopo Imad Isacc
Iacovo Imam Isacco
Iago Iman Isachar
Iaian Imani Isadore
Iain Imanoel Isaeah
Iakob Imanol Isai
Iakobos Imanuel Isaia
Iakona Imari Isaiah
Iakov Ime Isaiahi
Iakovos Immannuel Isaias
Iam Immanuel Isaih
Ian Immanuele Isaija
Iann Imraan Isais
Ianto Imran Isak
Iarlaith Imray Isam
Iason Imre Isambard
Iatos Imri Isan
Iawo Imrie Isander
Iba Imron Isandero
Ibahimos Ina Isandra
Ibaz Inacio Isandro
Iben Inaki Isao
Ibina Iñaki Isayah
Ibn Inam Isen
Ibra Inar Iser
Ibraahim Inaz Ishaan
Ibragim Ince Isham
Ibraheem Inda Ishanjeet
Ibraheemo Indalecio Ishaq
Ibrahim Indalo Ishatho
Ibrahima Indeeo Ishin
Ibrahimu Inderjit Ishmael
Ibrohim Inderpal Ishree
Icabod Indi Isia
Icah India Isiah
Icalo Indiana Isidor
Icar Indigo Isidore
Icarus Indio Isidoro
Iccah Indja Isidoros
Icharo Indo Isidorus
Ichho Indone Isidro
Ichiro Indonne Iskender
Idan Indorin Iskren
Iddo Indraj Isler
Idel Indrajit Isley
Iden Indrans Islwyn
Idil Indrayan Ismaal
Ido Indri Ismaeel
Idogbe Indy Ismael
Idon Indyo Ismail
Idowu Infinity Ismal
Idralos Ingamar Ismat
Idran Ingbert Ismayl
Idrees Ingelbert Isom
Idris Ingemur Ispino
Idriss Ingevar Ispinosa
Idwal Inglebert Israel
Iefan Ingo Israfel
Ieke Ingraham Israil
Ieki Ingrahame Israj
Ieni Ingram Isreal
Ieremias Ingrams Issa
Ieremiya Ingrim Issac
Iestyn Ingvar Issachar
Ieuan Inigalos Issiah
Iezekiel Inigo Istafen
Ifan Inisha Istafin
Ifanos Iniyan Istahi
Iffa Injaro Istan
Ifigenio Injiro Istban
Ifigenios Innes Istvan
Ifinos Inness Itadi
Ifor Inni Itaho
Ifra Inniss Itai
Iga Innman Ital
Igal Innocent Italino
Iggesh Innocentius Italo
Iggie Innocenty Italon
Iggy Innocenzio Itamar
Igli Innokenti Itay
Ign Innokentiy Ithaca
Igna Inocencio Ithacian
Ignace Inus Ithamar
Ignacio Inuyasha Itialo
Ignacius Inver Itiel
Ignacy Inyalo Itshiro
Ignas Ioachim Ittai
Ignasevic Ioachime Ittamar
Ignati Ioakim Itzachu
Ignatios Ioan Itzae
Ignatious Ioanis Itzael
Ignatius Ioannes Itzak
Ignatz Ioannis Itzcuauhtli
Ignatzis Ioanniso Itzhak
Ignaz Iodoc Iuliu
Ignaziano Iohannes Iuma
Ignazio Iokepa Ivaan
Ignotus Iokua Ivair
Igor Iolaus Ivan
Ihab Iolo Ivandale
Ihan Iomhair Ivanhode
Iharo Iomhar Ivanhoe
Ihlas Ion Ivann
Ihor Ionakana Ivano
Ihsan Ionas Ivanoe
Iisakki Ionel Ivar
Iishim IonuÈ› Ivarr
Ijas Iordan Ive
Ijaz Iordanos Iven
Ijek Iorwerth Iver
Ijiah Ioseb Iverson
Ijin Iosef Ives
Ikabod Ioseph Ivey
Ikaia Iosif Ivica
Ikaika Iosip Ivin
Ikaikalani Iouis Ivine
Ikaros Ioulianos Ivo
Ikarus Ipash Ivor
Ikavod Ipi Ivory
Ike Ipih Ivy
Ikem Ipiz Iwan
Ikemefuna Ipo Iwer
Ikeni Ipoh Iwers
Ikenna Ipol Iwo
Iker Ippolit Ixigo
Ikey Ippolito Iyar
Ikhyd Iqa Iyas
Ikina Iqbal Iyaz
Ikino Ira Iyer
Iko Iraaldo Iyler
Ila Iraan Iyov
Ilahee Irab Iyyar
Ilahi Iraj Iza
Ilan Irak Izaac
Ilario Irakin Izaak
Ilarios Iram Izaan
Ilay Ireli Izael
Ilda Irenaeus Izaiah
Ildefonso Ireneo Izaias
Ilhan Ireneus Izaiyah
Ilia Ireneusz Izajasz
Iliah Irenio Izak
Ilian Irfan Izar
Iliaro Irie Izaya
Ilias Irino Izayah
Ilie Iris Izekiel
Ilija Irish Izeyah
Ilijah Irl Iziaah
Ilio Irman Iziah
Ilir Irnes Izidor
Ilisha Iro Izidro
Ilitios Iroh Izik
Iliu Irrylath Izmail
Ilivan Irven Izsak
Ilja Irvin Izuku
Illario Irvine Izydor
Illarion Irving Izyk
Illarionn Irvyn Izz al Din
Illias Irwin Izzale
Illtud Irwinn Izzido
Illtyd Irwino Izzie
Illya Irwyn Izzilo
Ilon Isa Izzy
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#4 Postby AnnularCane » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:10 pm

Irving is probably one of the most well-known I names. I can't believe it hasn't been used on any list yet (Atlantic/EPAC anyway).

I've always liked Imogene and keep rooting for it as a replacement, but they continue to disappoint.
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#5 Postby EquusStorm » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:11 pm

The question is, how many are English/French/Spanish and how many are really close to existing names; that said it hasn't stopped them from doing Frederic/Fred, Rita/Rina, Katrina/Katia, so that might not be an issue lol. Wouldn't be at all against expanding into other cultures for name lists; always wondered why there aren't any Native American names since storms often affect, y'know, America

I like the continuous rotation idea even though I doubt it would ever happen, it's frustrating to be retiring mid-alphabet names constantly when we've only ever REACHED one V and W name so far.
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#6 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:18 pm

Irmina sounds like a menacing one.

Hopefully we don’t see that one any time soon. :eek:
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#7 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:39 pm

We could see things like Ione/Iona, Isabel/Isabella, etc. in the future if we start dropping more names. Maybe if Ida is retired in 2021, go full circle with Isabella in 2027?

Under modern naming rules with current technology, very few "A" names would likely be retired. Of the 7 "A" names retired, at least 3, and as many as 5, of them would have a later letter if the current reanalysis was applied in real time:

* 1959 Audrey had an unnamed storm before it added in reanalysis.

* 1972 Agnes had Subtropical Storm Alpha (named with phonetic names at the time) ahead of it.

* 1977 Anita had several TD's ahead of it. It is likely at least one or two will get reclassified once reanalysis reaches 1977.

* 1980 Allen had a TD ahead of it but it didn't look impressive and made landfall quickly.

* 1983 Alicia had a two TD's ahead of it. It is unclear if either would be upgraded once reanalysis reaches 1983.

* 1992 Andrew had an unnamed subtropical storm before it in April (not named at the time). Reanalysis may find more.

* 2001 Allison was definitely the first storm of the season.
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#8 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:52 pm

I went through the lists to 1965 and the following names would have been retired if reanalysis was followed all the way through in real time:

Red - actual name
Blue - retired for different storm that year
Green - retired for another storm

1954 Carol --> Florence
1954 Edna --> Hazel
1954 Hazel --> Norma
1955 Connie --> Brenda
1955 Diane --> Connie
1955 Ione --> Hilda
1955 Janet --> Janet
1957 Audrey --> Bertha
1960 Donna --> Ethel
1961 Carla --> Carla
1961 Hattie --> Inga
1963 Flora --> Helena
1964 Cleo --> (replacement for Florence)
1964 Dora --> Gladys
1964 Hilda --> Katy
1965 Betsy --> Carol

Beyond 1965, using current rules but not adjusted for reanalysis or what would have been otherwise previously retired names, these names would change (due to unnamed storms):

1972 Agnes --> Betty
1974 Carmen --> Fifi
1974 Fifi --> Ivy
1978 Greta --> Hope
1988 Gilbert --> Helene
1988 Joan --> Keith
1992 Andrew --> Bonnie
2005 Wilma --> Alpha
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#9 Postby SconnieCane » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:17 pm

I don't like the practice of naming subtropical storms. Some names just seemed perfect for the storms they landed on, ya know? I can't imagine Andrew not being Andrew, or Wilma not being Wilma. Some of those infamous "I" names, too, especially Ivan and Irma.
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#10 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:50 pm

SconnieCane wrote:I don't like the practice of naming subtropical storms. Some names just seemed perfect for the storms they landed on, ya know? I can't imagine Andrew not being Andrew, or Wilma not being Wilma. Some of those infamous "I" names, too, especially Ivan and Irma.


Yeah, but does it matter? Whatever they name it, that's what it is. That's how it would be remembered. JMO
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#11 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:54 pm

EquusStorm wrote:The question is, how many are English/French/Spanish and how many are really close to existing names; that said it hasn't stopped them from doing Frederic/Fred, Rita/Rina, Katrina/Katia, so that might not be an issue lol. Wouldn't be at all against expanding into other cultures for name lists; always wondered why there aren't any Native American names since storms often affect, y'know, America

I like the continuous rotation idea even though I doubt it would ever happen, it'sto be retiring mid-alphabet names constantly when we've only ever REACHED one V and W name so far.


But that's the general idea for Atlantic storms, right? Some Portuguese names. They could do Afro-Caribbean, Danish, I don't mind whatever. I didn't know Isaias before last week. So I'm not complaining. But I didn't make that up. Here's the first link from a search...
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weath ... cane-names
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#12 Postby Chris90 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:24 am

I said in the thread about reaching the Greeks that I dislike the current naming practice and would love to switch to the method used for the WPAC, and just have one list that we continuously work through instead of starting at A every year.

A new big list could be created, not going alphabetically. This would allow other letters that don’t even get a chance to finally have their day in the sun, and we could give names that have been used multiple times a break, not necessarily retire them, but take them out of rotation for a few decades. Instead of having another Alberto or Arthur, maybe we could have a Quinn or Ulysses. Instead of another Cindy, we could have a Xanthe or Xena. A new list could be put together of maybe like 160 names, with 80 typically male/unisex and 80 typically female/unisex names.

If the committee didn’t want to take on a project that big, maybe they could make it a fun off-season project for us at Storm2k :wink:. Members could submit names in a thread and then cycloneye could do a weekly poll where we vote and select like 20 names that week. :lol:
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#13 Postby bob rulz » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:54 am

I'm a big fan of doing a continuous list. You could still have multiple lists, but it wouldn't be reset every season and you could include letters that aren't currently included. I also think over time, old names that were retired could be re-analyzed, and possibly reintroduced into the list if it isn't considered a truly historic storm. How many people for example think of Edna, Connie or Ione from the 1950s as truly historic storms? Whereas the ones like Janet, Camille, Katrina etc could stay retired forever (or for such a long time it might as well be forever).
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#14 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:32 am

bob rulz wrote:I'm a big fan of doing a continuous list. You could still have multiple lists, but it wouldn't be reset every season and you could include letters that aren't currently included. I also think over time, old names that were retired could be re-analyzed, and possibly reintroduced into the list if it isn't considered a truly historic storm. How many people for example think of Edna, Connie or Ione from the 1950s as truly historic storms? Whereas the ones like Janet, Camille, Katrina etc could stay retired forever (or for such a long time it might as well be forever).


If a "moratorium" period was placed on names of severe but not ultra-historic storms (and that is challenging to define), I'd make it a minimum of 30 years to let a generation go through without it. That would allow names from before 1990 to be reconsidered (it would not be automatic though) if applied right now. Truly historic storms - examples being Camille, Katrina, Gilbert, Mitch, Hazel and Andrew - would be permanent.
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#15 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:48 am

Chris90 wrote:I said in the thread about reaching the Greeks that I dislike the current naming practice and would love to switch to the method used for the WPAC, and just have one list that we continuously work through instead of starting at A every year.

A new big list could be created, not going alphabetically. This would allow other letters that don’t even get a chance to finally have their day in the sun, and we could give names that have been used multiple times a break, not necessarily retire them, but take them out of rotation for a few decades. Instead of having another Alberto or Arthur, maybe we could have a Quinn or Ulysses. Instead of another Cindy, we could have a Xanthe or Xena. A new list could be put together of maybe like 160 names, with 80 typically male/unisex and 80 typically female/unisex names.

If the committee didn’t want to take on a project that big, maybe they could make it a fun off-season project for us at Storm2k :wink:. Members could submit names in a thread and then cycloneye could do a weekly poll where we vote and select like 20 names that week. :lol:


I agree with the idea of having the continuous list. With so many seasons since 1995 having over 15 storms, and as noted before that many of the previous "A" storms would have been later in the alphabet, I don't think there's much advantage to having the list restart each year. It's not like there's a concept of what an "I" storm is. Sure, the infamous I storm sounds bad, but since 1995, those have often been in August or September anyway (one in October - Iris). Having a rotating list would remove the need for the Greek alphabet (for however infrequent we end up using them), especially if we added X/Y/Z names. Or, as Chris said above, just make a new list, maybe remove some of the dud names (biggest one comes to mind is Nana, which should never be used for a major hurricane). I'd also prefer if the requirement that the names be easy to pronounce/spell, so I'd remove names such as Isaias, Cristobal, Edouard (just make it Edward!), and Nicholas (again, Nick!).
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#16 Postby AnnularCane » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:19 am

Hurricanehink wrote:I agree with the idea of having the continuous list. With so many seasons since 1995 having over 15 storms, and as noted before that many of the previous "A" storms would have been later in the alphabet, I don't think there's much advantage to having the list restart each year. It's not like there's a concept of what an "I" storm is. Sure, the infamous I storm sounds bad, but since 1995, those have often been in August or September anyway (one in October - Iris). Having a rotating list would remove the need for the Greek alphabet (for however infrequent we end up using them), especially if we added X/Y/Z names. Or, as Chris said above, just make a new list, maybe remove some of the dud names (biggest one comes to mind is Nana, which should never be used for a major hurricane). I'd also prefer if the requirement that the names be easy to pronounce/spell, so I'd remove names such as Isaias, Cristobal, Edouard (just make it Edward!), and Nicholas (again, Nick!).


Nicholas?
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#17 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:30 am

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Hurricanehink wrote:I agree with the idea of having the continuous list. With so many seasons since 1995 having over 15 storms, and as noted before that many of the previous "A" storms would have been later in the alphabet, I don't think there's much advantage to having the list restart each year. It's not like there's a concept of what an "I" storm is. Sure, the infamous I storm sounds bad, but since 1995, those have often been in August or September anyway (one in October - Iris). Having a rotating list would remove the need for the Greek alphabet (for however infrequent we end up using them), especially if we added X/Y/Z names. Or, as Chris said above, just make a new list, maybe remove some of the dud names (biggest one comes to mind is Nana, which should never be used for a major hurricane). I'd also prefer if the requirement that the names be easy to pronounce/spell, so I'd remove names such as Isaias, Cristobal, Edouard (just make it Edward!), and Nicholas (again, Nick!).


Nicholas?


Ehh I guess that’s normal/easy enough.
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#18 Postby Cleveland Kent Evans » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:01 pm

Isaias is perfectly easy for Spanish speakers to pronounce and spell. The same goes with Edouard for French speakers. Why should the lists be limited to names English speaking Americans find "easy"?

Of course personal names are now way more varied and cross-cultural than they were when hurricanes were first named, or even than they were in 1979 when the present six-list system was instituted. Dorian was a name suggested by the French. It is not a traditional French name at all -- as a given name it was invented by the English author Oscar Wilde for his novel "The Picture of Dorian Gray" -- but it went through a very fashionable period in France around the year 2000.

Gustav was on the list, and that's a Scandinavian or German form. The traditional form of this name is Gustave in French, Gustavo in Spanish, and Gustavus in English.

There really are enough Y and Z names for them to add those two letters to the lists they have now -- especially if they do it as they did in the Eastern North Pacific where there are just two XYZ lists that repeat 3 times over the six years. But not starting over again with A each year and going completely through the six lists in order as they do in the Central and Western Pacific would work fine if they really want to avoid the Greek alphabet. (Of course, it's not hard to find examples of Alpha, Delta, and Zeta as given names of people in the United States.)
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#19 Postby EquusStorm » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:08 pm

Aside from the retirement issue, I think my biggest issue with the Greek alphabet is I don't know how many people are going to take evacuating from Hurricane Mu very seriously
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Re: Discussion of Tropical Cyclone Naming Lists

#20 Postby sma10 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:15 pm

Assuming that hurricanes aren't going away, and that human beings aren't going away ... I do foresee this becoming a legitimate issue by the Year 3000. By then, human society will have changed so much we'll probably have a completely new set of given names that aren't yet in existence
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