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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#321 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:33 pm

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Agree! The models will not get a full grasp on this system until the CoC redevelops and emerges back over water after making landfall within the next 12 hours.


Assuming it goes inland at all.. and then assuming the circ dies. Amd redevelops in the location per the models..

Simple fact right now its east of model guidance and not moving sse..

Soo yeah.


Cristobal will weaken initially for sure but I don't see the CoC dying out or falling apart completely after landfall.
It will jump and re develop a new CoC Aric. This would be typical of early season Gulf cyclones to behave in this manner should this indeed comes to fruition.


not if it stays offshore ( which it appears it probably will at least for now) .... and of course you know that climatology does not dictate current situations.. it is nothing but a frame of reference..
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#322 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:34 pm

18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#323 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:36 pm

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Assuming it goes inland at all.. and then assuming the circ dies. Amd redevelops in the location per the models..

Simple fact right now its east of model guidance and not moving sse..

Soo yeah.


Cristobal will weaken initially for sure but I don't see the CoC dying out or falling apart completely after landfall.
It will jump and re develop a new CoC Aric. This would be typical of early season Gulf cyclones to behave in this manner should this indeed comes to fruition.


not if it stays offshore ( which it appears it probably will at least for now) .... and of course you know that climatology does not dictate current situations.. it is nothing but a frame of reference..


It is going to a real close call Aric about this potential landfall.. I
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#324 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:36 pm

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Assuming it goes inland at all.. and then assuming the circ dies. Amd redevelops in the location per the models..

Simple fact right now its east of model guidance and not moving sse..

Soo yeah.


Cristobal will weaken initially for sure but I don't see the CoC dying out or falling apart completely after landfall.
It will jump and re develop a new CoC Aric. This would be typical of early season Gulf cyclones to behave in this manner should this indeed comes to fruition.


not if it stays offshore ( which it appears it probably will at least for now) .... and of course you know that climatology does not dictate current situations.. it is nothing but a frame of reference..


Cristobal is in no hurry to move anywhere. The storm is supposed to be in the same general area on Friday. With so much land around it and so much time, a landfall is more likely than not at some point.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#325 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:40 pm

MississippiWx wrote:
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Cristobal will weaken initially for sure but I don't see the CoC dying out or falling apart completely after landfall.
It will jump and re develop a new CoC Aric. This would be typical of early season Gulf cyclones to behave in this manner should this indeed comes to fruition.


not if it stays offshore ( which it appears it probably will at least for now) .... and of course you know that climatology does not dictate current situations.. it is nothing but a frame of reference..


Cristobal is in no hurry to move anywhere. The storm is supposed to be in the same general area on Friday. With so much land around it and so much time, a landfall is more likely than not at some point.


I agree with you on this. It will move ashore soon imo.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#326 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:42 pm

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not if it stays offshore ( which it appears it probably will at least for now) .... and of course you know that climatology does not dictate current situations.. it is nothing but a frame of reference..


Cristobal is in no hurry to move anywhere. The storm is supposed to be in the same general area on Friday. With so much land around it and so much time, a landfall is more likely than not at some point.


I agree with you on this. It will move ashore soon imo.


it moved E .. then the last few hours moved ene..

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#327 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:10 pm

18z GFS has quite a bit of land interaction for Cristobal. It almost completely kills it off. It does enter back into the GOM, but weak and disorganized. Just one run but GFS is sticking to its guns.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#328 Postby aspen » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:11 pm

The GFS just doesn’t know when to give up...

Still forecasting a deep dive into Mexico that kills it, and a new broad system forms out of the CAG.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#329 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:13 pm

aspen wrote:The GFS just doesn’t know when to give up...

Still forecasting a deep dive into Mexico that kills it, and a new broad system forms out of the CAG.


I actually quit looking at the GFS last yesterday.. it has been smoking some wackey tobacky.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#330 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:36 pm

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aspen wrote:The GFS just doesn’t know when to give up...

Still forecasting a deep dive into Mexico that kills it, and a new broad system forms out of the CAG.


I actually quit looking at the GFS last yesterday.. it has been smoking some wackey tobacky.


Agreed. Some of that real sticky-icky-icky.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#331 Postby ronjon » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:09 pm

MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#332 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:12 pm

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MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?


if it stays down there for 72 more hours.. they should just build an ARC for all of central america.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#333 Postby Nederlander » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:18 pm

ronjon wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?


It’s further east but I don’t know that it would really adjust landfall much. The problem is the short model run. In that scenario, the ridge is parked straight over head at the end of the model run. The trough will erode the western periphery and force Cristobal back to the W/NW, but will have to wait for 0z to see that.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#334 Postby BigB0882 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:20 pm

ronjon wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?


I haven’t seen any images. Where is ICON showing landfall?
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#335 Postby Nederlander » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:29 pm

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MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?


I haven’t seen any images. Where is ICON showing landfall?


18z only runs out to 120, so no landfall on that one. 12z was between vermillion bay and lake charles
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#336 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:37 pm

It looks like the 18z HWRF is stranding Cristobal down in the BoC through hour 90.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#337 Postby Steve » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:37 pm

BigB0882 wrote:
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MississippiWx wrote:18z ICON with a rather significant shift to the south and east after ejection from the BOC. Still moving northeasterly at the end of the run.


Yes looks more in line now with the UKMET. Significant shift east. Will more models move in this direction?


I haven’t seen any images. Where is ICON showing landfall?


It's not because Tropical Tidbits (where I get it from at least) only runs out to hour 120 at 18z. At 120 hours, it has it at about 980mb and due south of the Mouth of the MS River and MS Gulf Coast. I don't have the steadiest track pad hand, but I come up with 89.11 / 25.03. It's fairly concentric though right-weighted. And the pressure only drops from 981 to 980 from hours 108 to 120. I know it's only June, but you'd think something in the middle of the Gulf that had fairly concentric isobars would be intensifying a little faster than that.

Also, I'd note that while it had been moving somewhat between NE-NNE up to that point, the slide north appears to be happening at least in the graphic (I didn't look at the actual model plots to see, but I suspect they would confirm).

Here's an odd thing though. If you run it at 500, it's almost encased in a triangle (omega shaped?) of high pressure with the first trough sliding off the US East Coast and the next one trying to push east but getting some resistance. This would indicate to me that it would either make a move toward due North or it would eventually turn NNW or even possibly NW or possibly stall temporarily at some point. I think yesterday I noted it as a "reverse S" track the ECMWF ensembles were showing. It's actually an S just drawn from the bottom. We won't know if Icon will hook it until the model comes out around 10/10:15 CDT. Speed this up to max speed to see what I'm talking about.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 218&fh=120
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#338 Postby Nederlander » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:43 pm

18z HWRF taking a long time to eject out of the BoC
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#339 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:44 pm

Ok time to just reset the models lol.... Christobal say no to going south.. says east/ene instead.. :P
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Models

#340 Postby sphelps8681 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:51 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Ok time to just reset the models lol.... Christobal say no to going south.. says east/ene instead.. :P


Is there not suppose to be a curve more west?
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