democrats give aid and comfort to terrorists?

[hunter84]

How about this. Sell their oil and use that to rebuild their country and not Saddams bank account. This was , I thought , a plan. With almost every program being cut here we could use it also. I'm not saying I don't care about the Iraqi people but we keep giving money away while things get shut down at home.

I agree..wether your Liberal or consevative..Our economy is going down the drain and you think we should spend more money..what about the AMERICANS.. I am sorry but this Iraq situation p's me off more and more troops die everyday and more and more money gets spent...It a neverending circle and IMHO it's a waste of time. I am 100% full blooded American but this is BS!!!!!!! More of our men and women are dying everyday to help a country that doesn't even want our help!!!! BTW when was the last time our deficit was this high 1992 I believe> Pull the troops out of Iraq save lives and money in one move.

economy going down the drain? check the stack market, naddaq!! 5% gdp growth is forecast for the 4th quarter. 2004 should be quite good economically

where did I say the economy is going down the drain. I said they are continuing to cut funding for almost all programs, schools keep getting less and less money, states are getting less money, health care.

[rainstorm]

rainstorm....great post..you beat me to it. I'm so disgusted by the likes of Ted K I'm ashamed to be from Massachusetts.

Speaking of Massachusetts and to get off track for just a minute....In the 20 years I worked in the Engineering field (3 different jobs) I never once met a Democrat. Not even ONE! Sooooo....you may ask..where are all the Democrats?? Do you think all Engineers are Conservatives by the very nature of their work...a job that entails thinking, rationalizing, and constantly striving for a better way to accomplish your goal?

Just a passing thought to think about.

Back to Liberals....If any of you get a chance, read Anne Coulter's, "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism."

The left is trying to write her off as a Conservative extremist with a fixation on Communism, but trust me...once you've read this and seen how extensive her research was ( probably 30 or more pages of footnotes), you will have a difficult time arguing in defense of any of our more "famous" Democratic leaders from the past. Furthermore, you will understand why Conservatives fear for their lives every time a Democrat gets in office.

I AM SHOCKED SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO QUIT AND BE DEFEATED. sept killed more people than pearl harbor. this will be a long and deadly war. if arent willing to do what it takes to win, then we will surrender our safety and freedom to muslim thugs. i cant believe so many people on the board think we shoud surrender. if we cant stomah a few casualiteis now, we are truly a dead nation. the people of ww2 were made of sterner stuff. muslim want all of our deaths. this is a fight to the death. we dont need dems making surrender a viable option

[rainstorm]

How about this. Sell their oil and use that to rebuild their country and not Saddams bank account. This was , I thought , a plan. With almost every program being cut here we could use it also. I'm not saying I don't care about the Iraqi people but we keep giving money away while things get shut down at home.

I agree..wether your Liberal or consevative..Our economy is going down the drain and you think we should spend more money..what about the AMERICANS.. I am sorry but this Iraq situation p's me off more and more troops die everyday and more and more money gets spent...It a neverending circle and IMHO it's a waste of time. I am 100% full blooded American but this is BS!!!!!!! More of our men and women are dying everyday to help a country that doesn't even want our help!!!! BTW when was the last time our deficit was this high 1992 I believe> Pull the troops out of Iraq save lives and money in one move.

i wasnt aware of any funding cuts. in fact, there have been huge increases. since when has more money for education resulted in better educated students? the presidents #1 jos is our defence from foreign enemies. thank god clinton of gore arent in office. we would already be defeated


economy going down the drain? check the stack market, naddaq!! 5% gdp growth is forecast for the 4th quarter. 2004 should be quite good economically

where did I say the economy is going down the drain. I said they are continuing to cut funding for almost all programs, schools keep getting less and less money, states are getting less money, health care.

[GalvestonDuck]

I'm all for fighting the war against terrorism, but do WE have to foot the bill to rebuild THEIR country at the risk of our own defense funds?

A woman I worked with a couple of years ago told me that her husband was in the Army a few years ago and that they had to point their guns at targets and pull the trigger with no ammunition. No live rounds for target practice because of budget cuts? Can anyone here who has served back up that claim?

So, it was my understanding that defense spending was cut during the Clinton years, which put our nation's defense at a disadvantage. Sure, that may have helped the deficit, but did it help us in the long run? Where are all the checks and balances to keep everything in line? What is our money really being spent on and where is it being wasted (both Clinton and Bush administrations included).

[blizzard]

I don't think that anyone is advocating a surrender. I understand that we have a responsibility to help rebuild, but the government is so quick to cut the funding that we need here at home and the wages and benefits for our soldiers and veterans. For what? To rebuild a nation that does not want us there in the first place. Do you think that we can retain a military when their livelihood is cut or at the very least not increased, all in the name of helping those that do not want it. I don't believe that we will have much of a military retention rate if we keep going at this rate.

[blizzard]

I'm all for fighting the war against terrorism, but do WE have to foot the bill to rebuild THEIR country at the risk of our own defense funds?

A woman I worked with a couple of years ago told me that her husband was in the Army a few years ago and that they had to point their guns at targets and pull the trigger with no ammunition. No live rounds for target practice because of budget cuts? Can anyone here who has served back up that claim?

So, it was my understanding that defense spending was cut during the Clinton years, which put our nation's defense at a disadvantage. Sure, that may have helped the deficit, but did it help us in the long run? Where are all the checks and balances to keep everything in line? What is our money really being spent on and where is it being wasted (both Clinton and Bush administrations included).

I can back this claim up to a point. When I was active Army, we were limited with ammunition, field excercises, etc. I know that the Artillery Batteries were limited to almost no rounds to practice with. They had about two per excercise to practice with. When I got out of active duty and enlisted into the reserves, we had absolutely no money for training. I trried to set up excercises for my squad and was told go ahead, but we have no money so you will have to pretend. Now, if you never served, you don't know what it is like trying to train new soldiers by pretending. This is not playing army in the back woods when you were a kid. And if anyone says that it was just the reserves, think again. The unit that I was in and our neighboring unit went to Saudi the first time around. They were over there fighting for their lives and really didn't know how to survive.

[Rainband]

How about this. Sell their oil and use that to rebuild their country and not Saddams bank account. This was , I thought , a plan. With almost every program being cut here we could use it also. I'm not saying I don't care about the Iraqi people but we keep giving money away while things get shut down at home.

I agree..wether your Liberal or consevative..Our economy is going down the drain and you think we should spend more money..what about the AMERICANS.. I am sorry but this Iraq situation p's me off more and more troops die everyday and more and more money gets spent...It a neverending circle and IMHO it's a waste of time. I am 100% full blooded American but this is BS!!!!!!! More of our men and women are dying everyday to help a country that doesn't even want our help!!!! BTW when was the last time our deficit was this high 1992 I believe> Pull the troops out of Iraq save lives and money in one move.

i wasnt aware of any funding cuts. in fact, there have been huge increases. since when has more money for education resulted in better educated students? the presidents #1 jos is our defence from foreign enemies. thank god clinton of gore arent in office. we would already be defeated


economy going down the drain? check the stack market, naddaq!! 5% gdp growth is forecast for the 4th quarter. 2004 should be quite good economically

where did I say the economy is going down the drain. I said they are continuing to cut funding for almost all programs, schools keep getting less and less money, states are getting less money, health care.

I was in agreement with hunter not you!!! BTW NO media or government blinds me. As I said before I am NOT liberal or conservative..I am ME. I think for myself and am not influenced by any political platform or individual..And yes the economy is going down the drain with a deficit like the one we have...it just may take a few years to show

[wx247]

rainstorm....great post..you beat me to it. I'm so disgusted by the likes of Ted K I'm ashamed to be from Massachusetts.

Speaking of Massachusetts and to get off track for just a minute....In the 20 years I worked in the Engineering field (3 different jobs) I never once met a Democrat. Not even ONE! Sooooo....you may ask..where are all the Democrats?? Do you think all Engineers are Conservatives by the very nature of their work...a job that entails thinking, rationalizing, and constantly striving for a better way to accomplish your goal?

Just a passing thought to think about.

Back to Liberals....If any of you get a chance, read Anne Coulter's, "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism."

The left is trying to write her off as a Conservative extremist with a fixation on Communism, but trust me...once you've read this and seen how extensive her research was ( probably 30 or more pages of footnotes), you will have a difficult time arguing in defense of any of our more "famous" Democratic leaders from the past. Furthermore, you will understand why Conservatives fear for their lives every time a Democrat gets in office.

I AM SHOCKED SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO QUIT AND BE DEFEATED. sept killed more people than pearl harbor. this will be a long and deadly war. if arent willing to do what it takes to win, then we will surrender our safety and freedom to muslim thugs. i cant believe so many people on the board think we shoud surrender. if we cant stomah a few casualiteis now, we are truly a dead nation. the people of ww2 were made of sterner stuff. muslim want all of our deaths. this is a fight to the death. we dont need dems making surrender a viable option

I don't recall anyone saying that we should "quit and be defeated". I believe the issue is how we are paying for this. Please don't twist words. And I don't think that you can lump a group of people into catagories like you are doing. And to clarify... not ALL Muslims "want all of our deaths".

[hunter84]

thanks rainband and good point garrett.

[rainstorm]

A LITTLE TRIP TO FANTASYLAND

Howard Dean, John Kerry, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Wesley Clark and the rest of the party of appeasement have been doing everything they can to encourage Baathist dreams of a return to power in Iraq. Islamic terrorist organizations around the world could be excused for believing that they would have a much easier time pursuing their terrorist goals if one of these appeasers were to win the presidency. Think about it. Every one of these candidates either voted against or said they would vote against continued funding for President Bush's efforts to restructure Iraq with a democratically elected government that would recognize the rights of individual Iraqi citizens. Every one of these of these candidates opposed continued funding of our military efforts to remove Saddam and his Baath Party goons from power. How could Islamic terrorists not be encouraged by this? Just hold on for a year and things might well be a lot easier for them!

Do these Democrats recognize that they are in fact giving aid and comfort to the enemy with their campaign tactics? Of course they do. They know full well that Islamic terrorist leaders are licking their beards at the prospect of another Democrat in the White House. Democrats see this as a price America should pay to have Democrats regain their rightful place in the seat of power. The Islamic terrorist leaders understand the Democratic culture, even if many American voters don't. They experienced it for eight years with Bill Clinton as president. During those eight years it was a lot of words and a few cruise missiles, but little else from America. Bill Clinton wouldn't even take bin Laden when he was offered up on a silver platter! Why would the terrorists think it would be any different under Dean, Kerry, Edwards or Clark?

OK ... I said this was going to be a little trip to fantasyland. Do you want to know what would break the back of Islamic terrorism right now? This little event could have the impact of the capture of Saddam or Osama! It would take the heart out of the opposition in Iraq. It's not a new weapon, it's just a simple written joint statement.

This is a "what if" fantasy, but what if every one of the Democrat candidates for president were to issue a press release, a joint statement to the media.

Joint Statement of Democratic Candidates for President

The undersigned candidates for the Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States wish to make the following joint statement.

In 2004 Americans will go to the polls to elect a president. This ongoing process has taken place every four years since the formation of our Republic over 200 years ago. These elections have taken place in times of peace, and in times of war. In either case the transition of power has been orderly according to our laws. In November of 2004 the people of America will either give George Bush, our current president, four more years to serve, or they will vote to put a member of the Democratic Party in his place.

During the coming months you will hear a vibrant and sometimes harsh debate between the candidates, both Republican and Democratic. We have strongly felt policy differences with President Bush and will present those differences to the American voters to assist them in their decision making.

There is, however, one area where no disagreement exists between the parties or the candidates. With this statement we wish to put Islamic terrorists on notice that we are resolutely dedicated to the war on terror and to the liberation of Iraq. No matter who serves in the White House, the safety of the American people and of our friends around the world will be of paramount importance. You should take no comfort if the voters of America see fit to transfer the presidency to any of the undersigned Democrats, for we are hereby pledging to pursue the war on terror and the liberation of Iraq with every bit of the fervor that has been shown by President Bush. There will be no appeasement and there will be no withdrawal. The military effort will continue, and will continue with full funding, as will the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. We, as Democrats, stand by our Republican countrymen in our absolute determination to rid the world of the scourge of terrorism. America, with its Judeo-Christian ethic, has shown that it can live in peace and harmony with the religions of the world. The choice is yours to make. You can either choose to live in peace and harmony with us, or you can choose to test our determination to rid the world of terrorism.

Use wisely your power of choice.


This will never happen, of course, because many at the core of Democratic Party leadership do not want America to be this strong. They view America as a mere member "state" of the United Nations, our de facto world government. If such a statement were issued it would have a profound demoralizing affect on the leadership of Islamic terrorism around the world. They would know that their way will not be easier after next year's election, no matter who wins. They would know that Americans -- all Americans -- are dedicated to their destruction. The divisiveness of the current campaign strengthens the terrorists. The constant partisan attacks on the president, the votes to discontinue funding and the condemnation of our efforts in Iraq serve to comfort terrorists and to give them hope for greater opportunities to make their mark in the future.

This is the inevitable result of politicians putting their political fortunes above the security of the American people

[Rainband]

rainstorm....great post..you beat me to it. I'm so disgusted by the likes of Ted K I'm ashamed to be from Massachusetts.

Speaking of Massachusetts and to get off track for just a minute....In the 20 years I worked in the Engineering field (3 different jobs) I never once met a Democrat. Not even ONE! Sooooo....you may ask..where are all the Democrats?? Do you think all Engineers are Conservatives by the very nature of their work...a job that entails thinking, rationalizing, and constantly striving for a better way to accomplish your goal?

Just a passing thought to think about.

Back to Liberals....If any of you get a chance, read Anne Coulter's, "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism."

The left is trying to write her off as a Conservative extremist with a fixation on Communism, but trust me...once you've read this and seen how extensive her research was ( probably 30 or more pages of footnotes), you will have a difficult time arguing in defense of any of our more "famous" Democratic leaders from the past. Furthermore, you will understand why Conservatives fear for their lives every time a Democrat gets in office.

I AM SHOCKED SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO QUIT AND BE DEFEATED. sept killed more people than pearl harbor. this will be a long and deadly war. if arent willing to do what it takes to win, then we will surrender our safety and freedom to muslim thugs. i cant believe so many people on the board think we shoud surrender. if we cant stomah a few casualiteis now, we are truly a dead nation. the people of ww2 were made of sterner stuff. muslim want all of our deaths. this is a fight to the death. we dont need dems making surrender a viable option

I don't recall anyone saying that we should "quit and be defeated". I believe the issue is how we are paying for this. Please don't twist words. And I don't think that you can lump a group of people into catagories like you are doing. And to clarify... not ALL Muslims "want all of our deaths".

I can't believe you compared this to WW2. I guess when our country is bankrupt people may wake up. I guess I just have a problem with our government worrying about everyone else but it's own citizens ..call me crazy :o

[Rainband]

A LITTLE TRIP TO FANTASYLAND

Howard Dean, John Kerry, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Wesley Clark and the rest of the party of appeasement have been doing everything they can to encourage Baathist dreams of a return to power in Iraq. Islamic terrorist organizations around the world could be excused for believing that they would have a much easier time pursuing their terrorist goals if one of these appeasers were to win the presidency. Think about it. Every one of these candidates either voted against or said they would vote against continued funding for President Bush's efforts to restructure Iraq with a democratically elected government that would recognize the rights of individual Iraqi citizens. Every one of these of these candidates opposed continued funding of our military efforts to remove Saddam and his Baath Party goons from power. How could Islamic terrorists not be encouraged by this? Just hold on for a year and things might well be a lot easier for them!

Do these Democrats recognize that they are in fact giving aid and comfort to the enemy with their campaign tactics? Of course they do. They know full well that Islamic terrorist leaders are licking their beards at the prospect of another Democrat in the White House. Democrats see this as a price America should pay to have Democrats regain their rightful place in the seat of power. The Islamic terrorist leaders understand the Democratic culture, even if many American voters don't. They experienced it for eight years with Bill Clinton as president. During those eight years it was a lot of words and a few cruise missiles, but little else from America. Bill Clinton wouldn't even take bin Laden when he was offered up on a silver platter! Why would the terrorists think it would be any different under Dean, Kerry, Edwards or Clark?

OK ... I said this was going to be a little trip to fantasyland. Do you want to know what would break the back of Islamic terrorism right now? This little event could have the impact of the capture of Saddam or Osama! It would take the heart out of the opposition in Iraq. It's not a new weapon, it's just a simple written joint statement.

This is a "what if" fantasy, but what if every one of the Democrat candidates for president were to issue a press release, a joint statement to the media.

Joint Statement of Democratic Candidates for President

The undersigned candidates for the Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States wish to make the following joint statement.

In 2004 Americans will go to the polls to elect a president. This ongoing process has taken place every four years since the formation of our Republic over 200 years ago. These elections have taken place in times of peace, and in times of war. In either case the transition of power has been orderly according to our laws. In November of 2004 the people of America will either give George Bush, our current president, four more years to serve, or they will vote to put a member of the Democratic Party in his place.

During the coming months you will hear a vibrant and sometimes harsh debate between the candidates, both Republican and Democratic. We have strongly felt policy differences with President Bush and will present those differences to the American voters to assist them in their decision making.

There is, however, one area where no disagreement exists between the parties or the candidates. With this statement we wish to put Islamic terrorists on notice that we are resolutely dedicated to the war on terror and to the liberation of Iraq. No matter who serves in the White House, the safety of the American people and of our friends around the world will be of paramount importance. You should take no comfort if the voters of America see fit to transfer the presidency to any of the undersigned Democrats, for we are hereby pledging to pursue the war on terror and the liberation of Iraq with every bit of the fervor that has been shown by President Bush. There will be no appeasement and there will be no withdrawal. The military effort will continue, and will continue with full funding, as will the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. We, as Democrats, stand by our Republican countrymen in our absolute determination to rid the world of the scourge of terrorism. America, with its Judeo-Christian ethic, has shown that it can live in peace and harmony with the religions of the world. The choice is yours to make. You can either choose to live in peace and harmony with us, or you can choose to test our determination to rid the world of terrorism.

Use wisely your power of choice.


This will never happen, of course, because many at the core of Democratic Party leadership do not want America to be this strong. They view America as a mere member "state" of the United Nations, our de facto world government. If such a statement were issued it would have a profound demoralizing affect on the leadership of Islamic terrorism around the world. They would know that their way will not be easier after next year's election, no matter who wins. They would know that Americans -- all Americans -- are dedicated to their destruction. The divisiveness of the current campaign strengthens the terrorists. The constant partisan attacks on the president, the votes to discontinue funding and the condemnation of our efforts in Iraq serve to comfort terrorists and to give them hope for greater opportunities to make their mark in the future.

This is the inevitable result of politicians putting their political fortunes above the security of the American people

and you say I am Brainwashed

[rainstorm]

rainstorm....great post..you beat me to it. I'm so disgusted by the likes of Ted K I'm ashamed to be from Massachusetts.

Speaking of Massachusetts and to get off track for just a minute....In the 20 years I worked in the Engineering field (3 different jobs) I never once met a Democrat. Not even ONE! Sooooo....you may ask..where are all the Democrats?? Do you think all Engineers are Conservatives by the very nature of their work...a job that entails thinking, rationalizing, and constantly striving for a better way to accomplish your goal?

Just a passing thought to think about.

Back to Liberals....If any of you get a chance, read Anne Coulter's, "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism."

The left is trying to write her off as a Conservative extremist with a fixation on Communism, but trust me...once you've read this and seen how extensive her research was ( probably 30 or more pages of footnotes), you will have a difficult time arguing in defense of any of our more "famous" Democratic leaders from the past. Furthermore, you will understand why Conservatives fear for their lives every time a Democrat gets in office.

I AM SHOCKED SO MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO QUIT AND BE DEFEATED. sept killed more people than pearl harbor. this will be a long and deadly war. if arent willing to do what it takes to win, then we will surrender our safety and freedom to muslim thugs. i cant believe so many people on the board think we shoud surrender. if we cant stomah a few casualiteis now, we are truly a dead nation. the people of ww2 were made of sterner stuff. muslim want all of our deaths. this is a fight to the death. we dont need dems making surrender a viable option

I don't recall anyone saying that we should "quit and be defeated". I believe the issue is how we are paying for this. Please don't twist words. And I don't think that you can lump a group of people into catagories like you are doing. And to clarify... not ALL Muslims "want all of our deaths".

I can't believe you compared this to WW2. I guess when our country is bankrupt people may wake up. I guess I just have a problem with our government worrying about everyone else but it's own citizens ..call me crazy :o

thank god churchill and fdr didnt share your philosophy in ww2. how is this different? we have an eneemy who wants to blindly kill every american. what price can you put on killing them?

[blizzard]

Thanks Rainband, I didn't know quite how to respond to that except...

[Rainband]

Since september 11th there has not been one attack on our soil.. I believe we need to take care of our country first..Then worry about everyone else..believe what you want... fear makes for alot of votes. I don't believe Iraq wants our help and if they do they need to repay us for liberating them..they are one of the richest countries on earth and they know it. I just find it hard to believe what..I have been seeing.. Yes saddam is a terrible man and he needed to be taken out..now it's time to go home and take care of our own country for a change :o BTW still waiting for the smoking gun..sorry I am not fooled so easily and if anyone thinks I am non-american for my comments so be it. I know the truth I love my country..I just don't care for the crooked idiots ie(all politicians) trying to run it

[blizzard]

I agree Rainband, Once again....

If anyone dares to call me un-American, He/She had better have served their country willing to die for it. I did and am proud of it.

[ameriwx2003]

Rainband agreed!!! I support our troops and they are doing a dangerous mission and deserve all our support and respect. While we won the so called war, its the post-war planning that went haywire. I really wonder also what the Republicans would be saying if A Democratic president had been unable to find Bin Laden after more then 2 years of trying to smoke him out:):) and being unable to find Saddam.:)

[Stephanie]

I want to see A PLAN since there doesn't seem to be one in place to begin with when we started the war on Iraq. Yes, it was in the name of fighting terrorism, yes, Saddam had to go, but the reasons given to "sell" the war to the American people are coming up way short, if at all. We now have an OBLIGATION to correct the destruction we caused to Iraq's infrastructure and then GET THE H*LL out of there so they can run the country the way THEY SEE FIT. I don't agree with Ted Kennedy and others for voting against the bill, BUT I do understand where they are coming from and enough is enough. That money plus what we've spent already could be helping millions of school children with the "Noone Left Behind" campaign (let's put some MONEY where our mouths are), people with no health insurance, etc. What is the plan Mr. President and company to getting the infrastructure intact and a government in place so our boys and girls can come home?