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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#321 Postby jfk08c » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:37 pm

Are there floaters out for Beryl? I can't seem to find any on my normal site
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#322 Postby NotSparta » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:43 pm

jfk08c wrote:Are there floaters out for Beryl? I can't seem to find any on my normal site


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=02L&product=ir
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#323 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:47 pm

As the upper troposphere cools off, deep convection firing off due to higher lapse rate.
Another indication that intensity is driven by UL conditions.

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#324 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:58 pm

As impressive as she looks, I don’t believe she will achieve hurricane status before the TUTT rains on her parade.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#325 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:37 pm

SAB up to 3.5.

TXNT26 KNES 060012
TCSNTL

A. 02L (BERYL)

B. 05/2345Z

C. 10.3N

D. 43.4W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T3.5/3.5/D1.0/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...ACTIVE DEEP CONVECTION IS CURRENTLY EXPANDING IN NE QUAD,
BUT PRIOR TO THIS 10/10 BANDING WAS MEASURED FOR A DT OF 3.5. NASCENT EYE
WAS DETECTED IN SHORTWAVE IR DATA AND A WARM SPOT WAS SEEN IN LONGWAVE EIR
IMAGERY AT THAT TIME AS WELL. BOTH MET AND PT ARE 3.5. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#326 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:44 pm

00z Best Track up to 55 kts.

AL, 02, 2018070600, , BEST, 0, 103N, 434W, 55, 999, TS
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#327 Postby floridasun78 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:53 pm

this will be short live but will gave us warring don't put letdown because forecast be we see weak hurr season to what we saw 2017
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#328 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:55 pm

Interesting. I have been looking at everything I can find to explain the collapse of convection earlier. though i am not for certain what kind of atmospheric wave passed through the circulation earlier. I am sure of what it did to the convection.

Check out this loop. you can see the pulse/wave start from north move south causing all the convection to collapse throughout the circulation of it passes to the south and immediately convection begin to rebound.

very interesting..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#329 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:29 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Interesting. I have been looking at everything I can find to explain the collapse of convection earlier. though i am not for certain what kind of atmospheric wave passed through the circulation earlier. I am sure of what it did to the convection.

Check out this loop. you can see the pulse/wave start from north move south causing all the convection to collapse throughout the circulation of it passes to the south and immediately convection begin to rebound.

very interesting..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir

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Very very cool?! Had to watch that loop over and over but it became plainly obvious after about the 4th time. Only thing I came up with was this. Watch that loop again but make sure to notice that stronger convection on its N.W. quad. To me, it rather looked like some outflow boundary that was the result of that strong convection but at the point where that convection suddenly collapsed, that seemed to spill a quick descending shot of cooler dryer air from that point from north to south. Given it's very temporary capacity to overcome the far broader and building upper anticyclone, it's suppressive impact was quickly reversed. That's my take on it, and i'm sticking to it lol!
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#330 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:34 pm

chaser1 wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:Interesting. I have been looking at everything I can find to explain the collapse of convection earlier. though i am not for certain what kind of atmospheric wave passed through the circulation earlier. I am sure of what it did to the convection.

Check out this loop. you can see the pulse/wave start from north move south causing all the convection to collapse throughout the circulation of it passes to the south and immediately convection begin to rebound.

very interesting..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir

Image


Very very cool?! Had to watch that loop over and over but it became plainly obvious after about the 4th time. Only thing I came up with was this. Watch that loop again but make sure to notice that stronger convection on its N.W. quad. To me, it rather looked like some outflow boundary that was the result of that strong convection but at the point where that convection suddenly collapsed, that seemed to spill a quick descending shot of cooler dryer air from that point from north to south. Given it's very temporary capacity to overcome the far broader and building upper anticyclone, it's suppressive impact was quickly reversed. That's my take on it, and i'm sticking to it lol!


I thought about some sore of outflow from earlier convection to the north but it collapsed and even dissipated the high-level clouds which ouflow boundaries dont reach that high. thought maybe a gravity wave but then again you dont see a single wave.. you see ripples. maybe some thermal wave of some sort. I dont have enough data to come to a solid conclusion.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Advisories

#331 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:35 pm

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Beryl Advisory Number 3
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022018
1100 PM AST Thu Jul 05 2018

...TINY BERYL CONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN OVER THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...10.4N 44.0W
ABOUT 1215 MI...1955 KM ESE OF THE LESSER ANTILLES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...999 MB...29.50 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1100 PM AST (0300 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Beryl was
located near latitude 10.4 North, longitude 44.0 West. Beryl is
moving toward the west near 14 mph (22 km/h), and this general
motion should continue through tonight. A fast westward to
west-northwestward motion is expected through the weekend. On the
forecast track, the center of Beryl will remain east of the Lesser
Antilles through Sunday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 65 mph (100 km/h)
with higher gusts. Additional strengthening is forecast, and Beryl
could become a hurricane on Friday. Beryl is forecast to degenerate
into a strong open trough just east of the Lesser Antilles over the
weekend.

Beryl is a tiny tropical storm. Tropical-storm-force winds only
extend outward up to 35 miles (55 km) from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 999 mb (29.50 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
None.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next complete advisory at 500 AM AST.

$$
Forecaster Stewart




Tropical Storm Beryl Discussion Number 3
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022018
1100 PM AST Thu Jul 05 2018

Tiny Beryl has maintained a small ball of convection near the center
except for a brief period around 2300 UTC when a tight curved band
was exposed, revealing 10- to 11-tenths banding. Passive microwave
satellite data during the past 6 hours have also indicated
5-nmi-diameter eye exists underneath the CDO feature. Given the
small size of the cyclone, which can quickly adjust to convective
changes, and a Dvorak satellite estimate of T3.5/55 kt from SAB, the
advisory intensity has been increased to 55 kt.

The initial motion estimate is 275/12 kt. Most of the latest model
guidance has made a pronounced southward shift, which is significant
since all of the models have displayed a distinct right-of-track,
poleward bias over the past 48 hours. The ECMWF has had the greatest
poleward bias, and is now the northernmost solution in the model
suite. The GFS, HWRF, and UKMET are now clustered along the southern
edge of the guidance envelope, with the consensus models somewhere
in between those latter models and the ECMWF. Given the very small
size of Beryl, I am having difficulty envisioning the cyclone moving
into the strong subtropical ridge situated to its north and gaining
as much latitude as the ECMWF has been and is still indicating. As a
result, the new NHC forecast track has been shifted south of the
previous advisory track, but not as far south as the GFS-HRWF-UKMET
consensus, and lies a tad south of the HCCA and FSSE solutions.

Water vapor and model moisture analyses indicate that Beryl has been
able to maintain a buffer between it and the very dry, stable air
just to its north, due in large part to the deep, southerly moisture
fetch coming up from the equatorial region. This pattern is forecast
by most of the global models to continue for at least the next 48
hours. That favorable environment, coupled with forecast low
vertical wind shear conditions of near 5 kt for the next 24 hours,
should allow Beryl to achieve hurricane status by late Friday. By 72
hours when Beryl will be approaching the Lesser Antilles, the shear
is forecast to increase from the west and northwest at 20-25 kt,
which is expected to induce rapid weakening. All of the global
models continue to show the cyclone opening up into a tropical wave
shortly after 72 hours, which is what the current forecast continues
to depict in order to maintain continuity with the previous advisory
track. However, only a slight delay in the onset of the strong shear
conditions could result in Beryl maintaining tropical cyclone status
when it moves across the Lesser Antilles on Sunday.

Even though Beryl is expected to dissipate just east of the Lesser
Antilles early next week, the remnant tropical wave will continue
moving quickly westward and will likely bring locally heavy rains
and strong gusty winds to portions of the Leeward Islands on Sunday
and Monday.

Key Messages:

1. Due to its very small size, there is greater-than-usual
uncertainty in the analysis of Beryl's current intensity. Confidence
in the official intensity forecast is also much lower than normal.
Rapid changes in intensity, both up and down, that are difficult to
predict are possible during the next couple of days.

2. While Beryl is still expected to dissipate as a tropical cyclone
by Monday before reaching the Lesser Antilles, there will likely be
some rain and wind impacts on those islands early next week.
Residents there should monitor products from their local weather
office for more information.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/0300Z 10.4N 44.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 06/1200Z 10.7N 45.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
24H 07/0000Z 11.2N 47.4W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 07/1200Z 11.9N 49.7W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 08/0000Z 12.7N 52.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 09/0000Z 14.4N 59.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 10/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Stewart
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#332 Postby StruThiO » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:39 pm

However, only a slight delay in the onset of the strong shear
conditions could result in Beryl maintaining tropical cyclone status
when it moves across the Lesser Antilles on Sunday.


hopefully this doesnt happen
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#333 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:41 pm

"As the upper troposphere cools off, deep convection firing off due to higher lapse rate.
Another indication that intensity is driven by UL conditions"

Well said, however just wait for about 24/36 hours when the new co-pilot "Mario SST Andretti" gets in and sits in the surface layer drivers seat (and yes, even further accentuated by that day/evening's cooling trop.)
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#334 Postby AnnularCane » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:53 pm

Looks like Beryl's had a good day today. 8-)
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#335 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:55 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
chaser1 wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:Interesting. I have been looking at everything I can find to explain the collapse of convection earlier. though i am not for certain what kind of atmospheric wave passed through the circulation earlier. I am sure of what it did to the convection.

Check out this loop. you can see the pulse/wave start from north move south causing all the convection to collapse throughout the circulation of it passes to the south and immediately convection begin to rebound.

very interesting..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir

Image


Very very cool?! Had to watch that loop over and over but it became plainly obvious after about the 4th time. Only thing I came up with was this. Watch that loop again but make sure to notice that stronger convection on its N.W. quad. To me, it rather looked like some outflow boundary that was the result of that strong convection but at the point where that convection suddenly collapsed, that seemed to spill a quick descending shot of cooler dryer air from that point from north to south. Given it's very temporary capacity to overcome the far broader and building upper anticyclone, it's suppressive impact was quickly reversed. That's my take on it, and i'm sticking to it lol!


I thought about some sore of outflow from earlier convection to the north but it collapsed and even dissipated the high-level clouds which ouflow boundaries dont reach that high. thought maybe a gravity wave but then again you don't see a single wave.. you see ripples. maybe some thermal wave of some sort. I dont have enough data to come to a solid conclusion.


I was thinking more like that "gust front" affect that we commonly see here in Florida following a suddenly dying thunderstorm complex. Perhaps a sinking burst of cool dry air that simply undercut (and temporarily choked off) the systems' rich ascent of moist rising inflow. Definitely seems more plausible given its really small circulation, then to see happen within the structure of a significantly larger envelope system. Very interesting nonetheless.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#336 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:59 pm

Seems as if any shear that we're seeing at the moment, is a result of a pretty strong Easterly surge. Seems like the LLC is doing all it can to keep up with the upper levels as the Southeasterly upper level winds remain quite brisk
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#337 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:01 pm

Given warmer SST's directly in its path along with an expected slow down in forward speed, we might well see some impressive RI before all is said and done (even if it is somewhat short-lived)
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#338 Postby NotSparta » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:01 pm

The western side of Beryl has exited the zone of marginal SSTs. Therefore, convection is popping up more readily there.

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#339 Postby brohavwx » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:18 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Interesting. I have been looking at everything I can find to explain the collapse of convection earlier. though i am not for certain what kind of atmospheric wave passed through the circulation earlier. I am sure of what it did to the convection.

Check out this loop. you can see the pulse/wave start from north move south causing all the convection to collapse throughout the circulation of it passes to the south and immediately convection begin to rebound.

very interesting..

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... product=ir

Image


Could be just the UL (200mb) sort of freed up or burst open (so to speak) and allowed the upper outflow to start and so general expansion. There has been signs of outflow from the center emanating North, South and West (not so much East) in the last few hours, when earlier today it was all just westerly flow and no indication of a cyclonic low below it. So it making itself 'felt' higher up - its pretty well vertically stacked from 500mb down to the surface.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#340 Postby brohavwx » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:41 pm

There was some mild burst to the WNW too, so while it appeared like a southward 'wave' not all of it went that way.
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